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    Mr F,

    If I've understood your comments correctly, then I think it's a chrony issue.

    You say your bullets are striking 1" higher, yet have lost 500 fps?? Something doesn't sound right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 220AI View Post
    Mr F,

    If I've understood your comments correctly, then I think it's a chrony issue.

    You say your bullets are striking 1" higher, yet have lost 500 fps?? Something doesn't sound right.
    1" higher would make sense with a lower velocity load if he was measuring the maximum ordinate.

    In other words if he zeroed at 200 yards he would then expect something like 1" high at 100 yards. If he found that it was in fact 2" high at 100 yards on shooting the lower velocity is indicated.

    weird one, losing 500fps seems almost impossible without maybe having used a much slower powder in the second set of loads.

    Soot on the cases?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lord Flashheart View Post
    1" higher would make sense with a lower velocity load if he was measuring the maximum ordinate.

    In other words if he zeroed at 200 yards he would then expect something like 1" high at 100 yards. If he found that it was in fact 2" high at 100 yards on shooting the lower velocity is indicated.

    weird one, losing 500fps seems almost impossible without maybe having used a much slower powder in the second set of loads.

    Soot on the cases?
    There's also the simple fact that lower velocity rounds exit later in the recoil cycle. Certainly in pistol shooting, high strikes are generally a sign of reduced velocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikB View Post
    There's also the simple fact that lower velocity rounds exit later in the recoil cycle. Certainly in pistol shooting, high strikes are generally a sign of reduced velocity.

    low velocity pistol rounds sure, the OP mentioned the maximum ordinate in his OP in reference to a high velocity rifle however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lord Flashheart View Post
    low velocity pistol rounds sure, the OP mentioned the maximum ordinate in his OP in reference to a high velocity rifle however.
    Nevertheless, the centre of shoulder resistance is still below the centreline of the bore, so an upward couple will result on the muzzle in recoil. Principle is the same, though the effect is (much) more marked in pistols.

    Fudd, I'm guessing you rezeroed the suspect load at 200 to find the 2" peak at 125? If you did, I suspect it was because you found it low at 200 at compared to the first batch zero?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikB View Post
    Nevertheless, the centre of shoulder resistance is still below the centreline of the bore, so an upward couple will result on the muzzle in recoil. Principle is the same, though the effect is (much) more marked in pistols.

    Fudd, I'm guessing you rezeroed the suspect load at 200 to find the 2" peak at 125? If you did, I suspect it was because you found it low at 200 at compared to the first batch zero?
    Indeed but I have never seen a rifle that shot lower with a faster load than with a slower, have you?

    Were it not for the zero confirmation of the lower velocity I would have suspected that he had fallen foul of the chrony not be fully folded out for the first batch.

    He must have rezeroed to get the higher maximum ordinate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lord Flashheart View Post

    Indeed but I have never seen a rifle that shot lower with a faster load than with a slower, have you?
    Not sure. It was a while ago, but I think I got a high MPI with some .303 pussycat loads I was trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lord Flashheart View Post
    1" higher would make sense with a lower velocity load if he was measuring the maximum ordinate.

    In other words if he zeroed at 200 yards he would then expect something like 1" high at 100 yards. If he found that it was in fact 2" high at 100 yards on shooting the lower velocity is indicated.

    weird one, losing 500fps seems almost impossible without maybe having used a much slower powder in the second set of loads.

    Soot on the cases?
    Flashheart you are exactly right, first batch chrono avg 3550fps zeroed at 200 yards, 1" high peak at 130 yards, yet with the new batch chrono avg 3060fps! and its 2" high at 125 yards!!??

    Going to clean the barrel and then I'm starting my powder loads again as something is definitely a miss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Fudd View Post
    Flashheart you are exactly right, first batch chrono avg 3550fps zeroed at 200 yards, 1" high peak at 130 yards, yet with the new batch chrono avg 3060fps! and its 2" high at 125 yards!!??

    Going to clean the barrel and then I'm starting my powder loads again as something is definitely a miss!
    Check you used the same powder from both mate, if it wasn't for the difference in the trajectory I would have said it was the chrono.
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