Variation going in for first BP pistol!

[Randy Bohannon]

Despite having no interest in pistols over decade of firearm ownership ( mainly a hunter ) I allowed myself to be persuaded to try muzzle loading pistol shooting at my club and I have to grudgingly admit it is the most fun you can have on a range whilst remaining fully clothed.

Even stranger is that I appear to have something approximating a talent for it, managing a score of 101/120 on a PL7 at 25 yards with a club Rogers and Spencer.

I am entering my first competition this month and am in the process of putting together a variation form for this and one or two other bits.

A chap at the club has a Euroarms Rogers and Spencer in good nick that he wants 150 quid for, seems a no-brainer?

Any tips, observations or things to be aware of chaps?

[tacfoley]

Welcome to the black side, and yes, there are a few things to watch out for.

1. Remember when loading that it's POWDER first, THEN ball. A pound to a pinch of parrot poop says that one day you are going to do it the wrong way around. There are only two kinds of BP shooters where so-called 'dry-balling' is concerned - those who admit they've done it [like moi], and liars.

2. Use loading phials, NOT directly from the spout of the powder flask - go to Wedgenock and try this and you'll be sent off instantly - it's generally prohibited in comps worldwide.

3. Get used to getting very dirty, very fast.

4. ALWAYS wear eye protection, even if you already wear eyeglasses.

5. The R&S is my all-time favourite BP revolver from the grip POV - for me, nothing, not even my ROA, comes near. The one you mention sounds a bargain, but make certain that it does index correctly throughout the full range of rotation. Does it come with the right-sized ball mould? Or are you one of these 'bloated plutocrats' who can afford ready-made stuff?

tac

[Randy Bohannon]

1. Not managed yet but like shooting your chronograph, there's always time...

2. Ah, why is this? People seem to do both with 777?

3. Pah, if it doesn't need a course of antibiotics to deal with it's not dirty.

4. I have ballistic spec spectacles as my normal eyeglasses, do you mean more than that?

5. No mould, I would like to cast my own or ideally get someone to cast them for me whilst I drink coffee and have a smoke.*



*big no-no when handling lead hence the need for the other guy

[rancidtom]

Having shot BP once or twice myself I would recommend goggles over the top of specs even if they are impact rated. The goggles stop the bits of burning powder that seem to fly everywhere even if you are shooting percussion cap guns but when shooting flintlock or matchlock with a flashpan and your specs will get covered with black coals from the shower of sparks.

[Randy Bohannon]

Having shot BP once or twice myself I would recommend goggles over the top of specs even if they are impact rated. The goggles stop the bits of burning powder that seem to fly everywhere even if you are shooting percussion cap guns but when shooting flintlock or matchlock with a flashpan and your specs will get covered with black coals from the shower of sparks.

Cheers tom, I have some god-awful yellow ones I bought a long time ago for clay shooting ages ago...

[tacfoley]

2. Ah, why is this? People seem to do both with 777? - 777 is NOT black powder, nor is it used in any form of MLAIC competition, which categorially states that BP only is permitted. 777 has a FAR higher flash temperature than BP - hence the name. It is not considered to be a Class 1 explosive like BP, but a flammable propellant, and can even be metered like regular nitro, according to Hodgdons loading manual

4. I have ballistic spec spectacles as my normal eyeglasses, do you mean more than that? - Nope, if they are proper ballistic spectacles, then are good for protection against the inevitable BP cap fragments.

5. No mould, I would like to cast my own or ideally get someone to cast them for me whilst I drink coffee and have a smoke. - I cast all my own bullet and ball simply because it's fun and cost-effective. Seeing the price of Pedersoli .451" ball at around £12 - 14/C just gets me annoyed - I can make them for about 1/8th of that.

[Randy Bohannon]

2. Ah, why is this? People seem to do both with 777? - 777 is NOT black powder, nor is it used in any form of MLAIC competition, which categorially states that BP only is permitted. 777 has a FAR higher flash temperature than BP - hence the name. It is not considered to be a Class 1 explosive like BP, but a flammable propellant, and can even be metered like regular nitro, according to Hodgdons loading manual

4. I have ballistic spec spectacles as my normal eyeglasses, do you mean more than that? - Nope, if they are proper ballistic spectacles, then are good for protection against the inevitable BP cap fragments.

5. No mould, I would like to cast my own or ideally get someone to cast them for me whilst I drink coffee and have a smoke. - I cast all my own bullet and ball simply because it's fun and cost-effective. Seeing the price of Pedersoli .451" ball at around £12 - 14/C just gets me annoyed - I can make them for about 1/8th of that.

1. Ok, so it's fine to use a powder flask straight into a cylinder if one is using 777?

4. Okey-dokey, I'll wear the bitch specs.

5. I have bought some casting gear and will probably give it a go, need to do some research.

Cheers guys.

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[tacfoley]

1. Ok, so it's fine to use a powder flask straight into a cylinder if one is using 777?

I don't, nor do I know anybody else who does. Get the habit of phial-loading and you won't make a dwong of yourself if and when you go elsewhere to shoot and get funny looks, at least, or a 'b*gger orf moi range'.

BP DOES go bang in a flask, a proven experience for some, one of whom posted the experience over on muzzleloadingforum.com last week. Around a quarter pound of FFg going off in your hand is quite an experience - enough, in a cannon, to send a one pound ball about half a mile.

I'm not brave enough to prove that 777 can't be ignited by a stray spark in the bottom of the chamber.

tac

[coburn]

Despite having no interest in pistols over decade of firearm ownership ( mainly a hunter ) I allowed myself to be persuaded to try muzzle loading pistol shooting at my club and I have to grudgingly admit it is the most fun you can have on a range whilst remaining fully clothed.

Even stranger is that I appear to have something approximating a talent for it, managing a score of 101/120 on a PL7 at 25 yards with a club Rogers and Spencer.

I am entering my first competition this month and am in the process of putting together a variation form for this and one or two other bits.

A chap at the club has a Euroarms Rogers and Spencer in good nick that he wants 150 quid for, seems a no-brainer?

Any tips, observations or things to be aware of chaps?

I was a dedicated Gallery Rifle shooter till I tried BP revolver at my club some months ago, and I too are now hooked, quite content to shoot either the clubs R&S, Ruger O/A or Pietta .36 1858 so not thinking of a variation just yet.

[Randy Bohannon]

I was a dedicated Gallery Rifle shooter till I tried BP revolver at my club some months ago, and I too are now hooked, quite content to shoot either the clubs R&S, Ruger O/A or Pietta .36 1858 so not thinking of a variation just yet.

Thank you for sticking to the point of the OP coburn, my so called friends notwithstanding!

i did not think the attraction is the pistol part per se, it's the "naughty schoolboy" feeling of creating huge bangs and clouds of smoke as the .22 prone boys peevishly look on that does it for me.