Can I go shorter??

[bullbarrel]

I like that mantra.

As long as the powder is somewhere in the middle of the range given in the books.

You haven't said what you are getting with factory?

If a lot better than something is wrong.

Are you using a lee neck die by any chance? If so you could be having inconsistent neck tension if you aren't giving it that last 10% of welly needed to finish it off. And turning it 90 degrees and doing it again can help.

It could be you jsut have to admit defeat and go get the right powder. I've never had a rifle shoot that bad which leads me to believe its something more than powder/COL.

It is the same manufacturer's brass?

[phil384]

I like that mantra.

As long as the powder is somewhere in the middle of the range given in the books.

You haven't said what you are getting with factory?

If a lot better than something is wrong.

Are you using a lee neck die by any chance? If so you could be having inconsistent neck tension if you aren't giving it that last 10% of welly needed to finish it off. And turning it 90 degrees and doing it again can help.

It could be you jsut have to admit defeat and go get the right powder. I've never had a rifle shoot that bad which leads me to believe its something more than powder/COL.

It is the same manufacturer's brass?

Yep always RWS brass

And the neck turning thing is worth a try.