Oooooohhhhh, you're going straight to hell for that one!Originally Posted by DT Fletcher
IMHO, a good prewar Crosman 101 bests a prewar BSA in every way possible.
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Oooooohhhhh, you're going straight to hell for that one!IMHO, a good prewar Crosman 101 bests a prewar BSA in every way possible.
The South of England has 2 good things, the M1 and the A1. Both will take you to Yorkshire.
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The Japanese also copied the prewar BSA underlever and break barrel rifles. but l have not seen one in the flesh so l don't know what the quality was like. they are in Smiths book if you have a copy.
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Understood, the truth hurts.
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The answer is no........the bsa standard in .22 still takes some beating now
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1. Pumper v springer for hunting. We kind of did that here in the UK from 1975-85, when there was a group of shooters and writers who favoured the pumper. But the market said quality springer.
2. However, that result may have been slanted by the arrival of FT in 1981, where the easier cocking per shot of the springer was a huge advantage.
3. But the best springers (HW, FWB) were made to a higher standard and had much better triggers than the typical Sharp/Sheridan/Crosman/Benji pumper. Which also appeals for sporting use.
4. The later British pumpers (Daystate, Titan, Dragon) were competitive in the hunting field with the best springers, just expensive, less wieldy, and (Dragon) less reliable.
5. So if I compare my 1980s Sheridan to its springer competition, it loses. Beyond the effort and slowness of pumping, it has a poor trigger, worse sights (even with a Williams peep), and is a bugger to scope. It is still a nice gun, though. Ditto my Crosmans (of which the 2200s are clearly built down to a price and do not compare in pride of ownership in any way to a good UK/German springer of the same vintage).
6. But if it had a good trigger and decent scope mounting, my Sheridan would be competitive for a lot of pest control type shooting. Just slower between shots. Not better, just different - principally lighter and handier.
7. And this is surely what led to Beeman and ARH in the 70s and 80s making good business out of selling European springers in the US. Because they were a bit better.
8. Back on topic. I imagine the Japanese BSA copies were great. Were they?
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the weight of one's weapon(for ME anyhow;-)). Rather excluding all the heavy springers that were grand shooters on the range. My pick for a field gun in days of yore would have been a Sharp Innova..22,quick to the shoulder,a very flat trajectory and deadly out to forty yards. The Innova(at $78NZ) was a 'best buy' at the time.Fitted with a snazzy -made silencer it was the complete package.Peepsight,and light as a feather. Of course,just a personal preference. NZ's Innova's were unmodified giving as much power as possible. Pumping was a real chore after 4-5 strokes but with practice and effort the 900fps could be topped(and-in .177 over the thou). Think I'll get a bracket fitted to my Zimmer frame.....
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To me it will be more fun to revisit the 1920-30's and relive William Mcleans and Crosman's early vision for a rifle that could compete against the BSA springer that he probably owned and liked. Kind of reliving history in my backyard. Seems purer back then, no scopes, no scuba tanks, etc. Maybe why I like vintage guns!? My first vintage collection is 1800's blackpowder arms, but backyard shooting is problematic. Lol
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If you really want to travel back in time, get yourself a nice working Benjamin model E, F, or G. Even cooler, but hard to find, is the Benjamin "Automatic" model. I repaired an "automatic" for a guy (who was blind and as a hobby worked on guns - the "automatic" proved to be beyond him, however) and shooting that thing was simply a wonder to behold.
Regarding shooting: BSA vs Crosman, maybe we could hold a vintage air rifle "postal" match here on the forum.
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round about 1960 just after i started shooting. when one got the"serious" gun it had to be a bsa airsporter the one with screw back sight and no scope rails, or a webley mark 3. the diana was considered to be very second best as also was the meteor. i went thw mark 3 .22 route all my mates had .22 airsporters except one who had a .177 club. (lovely gun). pete
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