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“I think that a review of air weapon regulation is important and timely, we will do so against a backdrop of existing controls that are, by all international comparisons, very robust,” Hurd was quoted as saying.
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i think there will be less shooters too if they go down the health route . at least one guy got refused a scottish license due to depression although he won his appeal.Originally Posted by snock
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....ighlight=tonka
appeal won
http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....ighlight=tonka
each case is different i know .
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“I think that a review of air weapon regulation is important and timely, we will do so against a backdrop of existing controls that are, by all international comparisons, very robust,” Hurd was quoted as saying.
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Ooh, that weapon word again.
If the police are already struggling to keep up with SGC and FAC Business now, they're gonna love this load of work on top of it.
Rust never sleeps !
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“I think that a review of air weapon regulation is important and timely, we will do so against a backdrop of existing controls that are, by all international comparisons, very robust,” Hurd was quoted as saying.
This may be taken to imply that nothing much will change,but politicians in the main being the vain,attention seeking,self important,vote grubbing rubbish that they are means anything they say cannot be trusted.
I'm sure you're not forgetting the full bore semi-auto ban of 87,the handgun ban of 97 and the air cartridge ban of 2004!
Not to mention the 12ftlb legislation of '69 etc!
A hand is always on the lever of an ever tightening ratchet which makes anything possible,unfortunately!
Last edited by mrto; 11-10-2017 at 02:05 AM.
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87 & 97 were following mass shootings, 04 was (iirc) Labour following up the 97 ban by making it tighter still, following cases where air cartridge guns had been converted to live fire.
They're doing their vote grabbing bit by promoting the review, while stating that we already have very tight rules, they know full well the police don't want airguns on ticket due to the extra work involved & that in most recent cases existing law was not being complied with so new law will make zero difference.
Reports causing panic for the sake of it aren't being helpful, but then they often get (mis)used in an attempt to boost membership.
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that's what we thought up here in scottyland and look where we are now
and don't forget , it was not only the SNP that wanted it brought in . they just pushed it through .
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Your's is certainly the better balanced commonsense view and I hope you are right.
ATB.
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Does this mean a parent left a loaded airgun in a place where a child could find it and a child was killed as a result?
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it appears so . it in my post . gun found in an airing cupboard .
The inquest heard that the weapon had been owned by the father of one of the boys and at the time of the tragedy the boys had been examining it and looking through the telescopic sight. DI Hayward said the airgun had been taken out of the airing cupboard where it was stored by the boy who had brought his friends home to see progress on the building of a new shed. Although the weapon was found to be slightly more powerful than the limit requiring the holding for a firearms certificate, it had been sold by the manufacturer and accepted by the purchaser as complying with that limit
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That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.
If there are gun owners that would fail the ordinary screening (assuming a screening-lite is not introduced for airgunners) process, then this is a preferable situation and has a certain appeal.
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possibly . as long as there is not a "you have depression so your not getting one " with out assessing each case .
so there may be what we have up here coming in down south if FAC licensing is used on airguns.
we have to pay for a Gp report and as its not an NHS request then the surgery can charge what they like . one student had to pay £400 when applying for a shotgun, for his tick list to say the doctor has no issues with him owning one going by his medical records.
And there is two in one surgery that cant get their report done as the surgery their with has opted out of doing the report.and they cant get into another catchment area surgery as they are full.
at present in england if the report is not back in 21 days the police take it there is no issue and carries on with the application .
Up here if it not back in 21 days .the license application is stopped .
https://www.dropbox.com/s/89e6yq2c19...34554.jpg?dl=0
so if all the airgun owners in england have to get a license ,will the english police follow the scottish police and implement the process of the applicant does the medical leg work and at the applicants expense?
BASC is advising no one pays the fees also. but up here if you don't pay the fees ,then there is no report.no report = no license
and if your surgery opts out? there is no other surgery that has a vacancy for new patients ?
ok. with the airgun license here they don't ask for this report at present. that's not to say it wont change
Last edited by bighit; 11-10-2017 at 12:48 PM.
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The issue is not whether they want to put the air rifles on FAC licence but whether they want to license ownership. The former may even be desirable if a separate FAC airgun licencing system was brought in the latter however, is just a mechanism to reduce ownership and make it difficult to even legally obtain a sub 12 ft.lbs airgun as we now do.
How many sub12 ft.lbs owners are in England and Wales , how many guns are in circulation and what is the percentage of airgun related crimes V number of onwers? I bet the figure is so small that if published it will put an end to this nonesense.
We really can not forever go on wondering if the Cat lovers or Budgie huggers will petition the government to ban air guns because they think this snd that.
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they reckoned 500.000 airguns in scotland (not sure how that figure was arrived at) and airgun crime was pretty low in scotland too . as i said above ,the scottish government did not listen to any ones facts .
the groups against the scottish license advised people to go the whole hog and apply for an FAC and SGC to give a rise in gun license owner ship of guns other than airguns in scotland . a bit like the possible bumpstock ban has done in the the US (they have sold more of the stocks since te proposed ban than in the years since they were legal).
scottish firearm crime http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistic...e/TrendFirearm
under 700 between 2006/07 to just under 200 in 2015/16
approx 4 million air guns in england and wales
an estimated 4 million low-powered air weapons—seven out of every ten legally held firearms—fall outside it.[199] No provision is made for the secure storage of low-powered air weapons, nor for any assessment of a person's fitness to own or use such weapons. The raft of statutory controls on low-powered air weapons appear complex and difficult to interpret and apply consistently.
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...ff/95/9508.htm not sure how old the report is. plus bbgun crime tends to get lumped in with airgun crime .
Last edited by bighit; 11-10-2017 at 04:07 PM.
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Expected reaction to some tragic and heartbreaking incidents..1000s of people are injured many seriously every year around bonfire night .A and E departments struggle on every year with it, now I like a good firework display but think general sale to the public should be banned. More fireworks than airguns pass through the hands of idiots .It happens every year and has done as long as I can remember ,the government should tackle this ,save a fortune spent on the NHS and leave us be.
Last edited by John Simpson; 11-10-2017 at 05:05 PM.
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Common sense and service for the good of the public is the last thought on their minds. There is usually a sponsor or on very rare occasions a persoanl reason behind such motions.
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