venom 77k or not

[Rickenbacker]

Yeah, but that depends if it's being offered for sale as Venom with Venom stock...

Picture isn't very good - but by the rub marks on the comp' tube - it doesn't look like it's buttoned, neither.

[Murphy]

Yeah, but that depends if it's being offered for sale as Venom with Venom stock...

Picture isn't very good - but by the rub marks on the comp' tube - it doesn't look like it's buttoned, neither.

I think thats grease.

Mine works it way out like that sometimes.

[Rickenbacker]

I think thats grease.

Mine works it way out like that sometimes.

Yeah, tricky to tell from a blurry pic - in the hands, you can see at least a bit of one button in the breech cut-out. And see the track from the bottom one when you cock it. And the end of the comp' tube tells you if it's 25 or 26mm...

Apparently, not all glided '77s have a blacked tube...

Like I said though - depends what it's being described as.

[Murphy]

Apparently, not all glided '77s have a blacked tube...

Like I said though - depends what it's being described as.

I agree it depends what he is selling it as.

And I said above the blued tube was an option.

Personally I wouldn't buy any old Venom rifle.

A lot of them seem to be viewed with rose tinted specs.

I would rather have a new Vmach.

I have seen a lot of Vmach's work and to me there is no comparison.

[Craig-P]

Venom action in a brand new CS700 stock.
I’d say that was Venom blueing but to be honest it could be anyone’s who got a polishing mop and a blueing tank.
Impossible to tell what’s been done inside unless you strip it (takes two minutes) - could be anything from a PWR LOK spring and guide set to a full lazaglide tune, as Phil said, not all comp tubes were blued - none of the very early ones were. Always makes me smile to hear people saying ‘have you got paperwork to prove it’s a Venom?’ Venom/ac etc ceased trading nearly twenty years back and of all the Venom rifles I or my mates have got or had, two have had original receipts...
I’d have that back block screwed off right now and see if it’s got a fixed rear guide - if it has, smile.

Cheers, Craig

[RichardH]

Venom action in a brand new CS700 stock.
I’d say that was Venom blueing but to be honest it could be anyone’s who got a polishing mop and a blueing tank.
Impossible to tell what’s been done inside unless you strip it (takes two minutes) - could be anything from a PWR LOK spring and guide set to a full lazaglide tune, as Phil said, not all comp tubes were blued - none of the very early ones were. Always makes me smile to hear people saying ‘have you got paperwork to prove it’s a Venom?’ Venom/ac etc ceased trading nearly twenty years back and of all the Venom rifles I or my mates have got or had, two have had original receipts...
I’d have that back block screwed off right now and see if it’s got a fixed rear guide - if it has, smile.

Cheers, Craig

I and I am sure lots of others have fixed a lot of guides and compression tubes when reblacking guns

[Matt]

Can you do a few better pics of the cocking lever grip and the front edge of the silencer, where pellet exits.

Matt

[Rocket launcher]

It's a venom it says so on the sticker...so it must be.....

Buyer beware

[badgerginger]

It's a venom it says so on the sticker...so it must be.....

Buyer beware

yes beware indeed! the serial number is 1045335 . I have removed the stock and all seems very clean and recently serviced by the look of it, I have taken some pics of the action around the cocking slot area, unfortunately it does not resemble some pics that were sent to me by a fellow member on the forum, I have only fired it twice to see how it compared with a v-mach one I used to have( which had the v mach logo on the loading port cover) that was a quick sharp thud on firing, this one is somewhat slower and softer, I have never fired a standard one so cant compare it with one. anyway pics are here-https://imgur.com/CN3YE7zhttps://imgur.com/LcUOAxN thanks for all the input, looks like I will have to strip it some time to fully check it out

[badgerginger]

sorry the pictures are crap but its poor light indoors, if I shine a torch on it all I get is glare, so will maybe try in natural daylight -weather permitting !

[Shed tuner]

yeah, a nice stock and a nice blueing job add long term value. Some big mods like the breach shims, fixed rear guide, or best of all sleaving (hw80 down to 25mm) clearly have permenant value too.

The insides however really just need to be assessed on the basis of how well the thing shoots. A piston with bearings is much the same whomever did it. Same with comp tube bearings. As said, a spring would be knackered and need to have already been replaced by now - is it as good a fit on the rear guide as the original one ? Is the seal correctly sized now it's been replaced ?

[poison dwarf]

I'd pay tuned 97 money for it and not Venom money coz it probably isnt

[rhyslightnin]

Forget the name.., what's it worth to you as an hw77? Keep that figure in your head & ask yourself if the venom bit is what you want or not? My 77 cost £325 with dopia lam stock, WTC 1.5-5 2 tins of pellets & a gun bag!! Offsetting the cost of buying a stock & selling a stock + a few cheaper internal mods the gun could essentially be very similar to this rifle that your looking at for around £400-£450. (As a gun & not a venom collector!). Now I guess it's down to what you want., A nice shooting rifle or a "venom" nice shooting rifle..
I'd say if you want a "venom" nice shooting rifle then walk away unless it has the paper work to prove.. and if you want a "nice shooting rifle" then try it and walk away if it's too expensive!!
It's all down to perspective & so long as you keep close check on what part is gun & what part is name in your desires and in the cost of the gun, you should be fine

[Muskett]

What is a good looking rifle that shoots well worth?
Component parts and obvious work done is the base price.

Taken apart and proved that Venom type work has been done then add a bit. Most tuned rifles go for less than they cost and close to what a new untuned factory rifle would be, so you get a free tune for the second hand part. Custom work is the customer's desire for their dream machine. Much of the cost is their relationship with the custom maker and belief with the the work done. Sure the work can be very obvious with superior work of wood and bluing, but the internals are so less obvious. With Venom there was too few records and too many permutations. Most are therefor best guess as proof is in short supply. Is it a good shoot??
Much is first impressions with no proof or reason why; my impression of this rifle is its no early Venom. New stock which might have some Venom action or not. Still a good looking rifle.

Like a picture of the moderator and latch. There are a few done, on mine its one of the runs done and marketed by Venom at one time.

So back to my original line.

[Simmo]

Just to note, that isn’t one of my reproduction stickers if this is any help!