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he is lucky it was only a fine he could have done jail time or community payback hours also . plus the fact if you let one off then there would be an outcry if some one else was found with one and was charged and fined or did time for it .
cant have rules for one and rules for others
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Would this give the guy a firearms conviction on his record?, just wondered how it would show on a PNC check.Originally Posted by bighit
he is lucky it was only a fine he could have done jail time also . plus the fact if you let one off then there would be an outcry if some one else was found with one and was charged and fined or did time for it .
cant have rules for one and rules for others
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IF I WALKED ON WATER PEOPLE WOULD SAY I COULD NOT SWIM !
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i think it would be a firearms offence to be honest . section 21 i think they call it .im not sure
WHAT IF I DO NOT APPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE?
It is an offence under section 2(1) of the Air Weapon and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015 for a person not authorised by law, to use, possess, purchase or acquire an air weapon without holding an air weapon certificate after the 30th of December 2016.
A person who commits such an offence is liable on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or a fine, or both. On conviction on indictment, this rises to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or a fine, or both.
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Fascinating info on Foula below, don't think I could hack it.
The life of Foula
November 17, 2016
It’s hard to imagine life outside of the constant flow of interaction and traumatising socialising of living in a city suburb. Especially when you were born and raised in a village just a stone’s throw away from the city centre where you’re integrated into society of that flow from birth. That’s exactly the environment I was raised in, in Raheny, North Dublin.
You rarely give thought to the fact that there’s people going about their life around the world, but when you do, you don’t think of Foula.
Foula is a fascinating island in the Shetland Islands, a set of islands off the Northern coast of Scotland. Foula has a population of just 38 people. It’s one of the most remotely inhabited islands on earth.
It was first inhabited by Norsemen around 800AD, and they ruled the island until the 15th century. The influence from those first inhabitants still exists, with places on the island called Norderhus, Krugali, and Guttren. The name itself is Old Norse for “Bird Island.” Foula was one of the last Shetland Islands to still speak the language.
Foula is so unique it stills used the Julian calendar, while the rest of the world have used the Gregorian calendar since 1752. Christmas day falls on January 6th, with New Year’s Day falling on the 13th of the same month. When you think that the island is so remote, you think the people must be behind the times of the modern world, and while that would be a reasonable assumption, it most definitely is not that case.
“As far as we’re concerned, you’re the weird ones.” Islander Marion Taylor says to Jon Henley, a Guardian journalist visiting the island. “Everyone has to have a roof over their heads and ours just happens to be here. We’re just getting on with our lives. We don’t really see what there is to get worked up about.”
To visit the island you can catch a ferry that travels twice weekly to Foula, taking two and a half hours, or you can travel by a tiny eight seater aeroplane, taking 30 minutes roughly to reach the narrow tarmac airstrip.
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It is truly astonishing that people live here. It has constant blustery conditions and there’s no shops or pubs located on the island, it’s a mystery how a person can survive here. There is a post office though it’s no bigger than a Fiat Punto. The inhabitants have enjoyed the luxury of telephones since the 1960’s, and have been given the pleasure of running water and power supplies since the mid-1980s.
Anyone from the outside world would fail to adapt to living conditions in Foula. Groceries come in by plane, the same plane that carries passengers to the island that is, and they’re normally greeted by passengers of potatoes and tinned tomatoes.
Not everyone is a mainland shopper though, as Jon Henley discovered on his excursions of the isle. In Foula’s southernmost settlement of Hametown, 32 year old Amy Ratter, who is a relation of the Holbourn family, the family who has owned Foula for more than a century, grows half a dozen types of vegetable and rears 28 Shetland ewes, two rams, three lambs, 11 pigs, a dog, and piper her Shetland pony.
Similar to those before her and those after, Amy moved to a boarding school in Lerwick at aged 11, and similar again to those before and after, she didn’t return. “I got a job, bought a house down south and forgot all about it. But then one autumn I came here to visit my mother for the first time in six years and I thought what on earth am I doing over there? Working for someone else?
Amy arranged to return to Foula, moving into her grand-fathers retired cottage, and started her life back on the island by rebuilding fallen stone walls and pencilling in her apportionment to go hill grazing. Now she puts in 21 hours weekly pumping the islands supply of water each morning. She is a part time fire brigade member and spends the majority of her day working four crofts. It’s harder work than us foolish mainlanders will probably ever endure.
The people of Foula agree on one thing; the island needs a few more inhabitants. Not many, but some small families. What kind of traits would you need to ensure survival in the remoteness of the Shetland Islands? “Self-reliant, adaptable, fond of their own company, tolerant of other people’s views.” Says Sheila Gear, another member of the Holbourn family. She moved to Foula in 1964 to marry Jim, whose grandfather landed time in the 19th century and is remembered fondly throughout the island folk for petitioning queen Victoria and Disraeli to obtain the islands first regular postal service. Self-reliant because when things break in Foula, you need to fix them yourself. Fond of your own company because the island mingling isn’t exactly on the same scale as Oxford street. “This is a community that when it really comes to it, like when the council threatens to base the ferry of the island, everyone pulls together.” In what Henley describes Sheila as mild mannered and bespectacled as she stands behind the post office counter.
The community feel you get from Foula is similar to a rural Irish town in the sense, everyone knows each other, but not everyone is in contact. It’s a truly captivating way of living right on our door step, essentially.
People have been falling in love with the Island for years. One of those people is Penny Gear, who carries out a range of extraordinary duties on the Island. Penny is the daughter of Sheila and Jim Gear, and her duties on the island cover a broad range of areas. Shes a pony breeder, relief cleaner, school lunch supervisor, airstrip fire warden and bird monitor.
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Penny explained her reasons to Jon Henley for returning, and in hind sight, they are very reputable. “I never saw anything on the main land that I wanted more than Foula” although there has been stages on the island where she wished things would be easier for her. “I never wished I would be anywhere else. I love the freedom, the nature, the beauty, the life. On occasion I walk over to see the rollers coming in, it’s breathtaking, always.”
Bizarrely, well to outsiders anyway, Penny’s two boys, Paul, six, and Robert, 10, they are the only pupils to attend the island school. With the aforementioned Lerwick boarding school looming on the horizon for Robert, she admits she is dreading the change. Although she concedes her son Paul should take the baton of responsibility before too long. “But how many parents wouldn’t like to drop their children’s home and school into the middle of a park, where they can bike to school and the front door is never locked and there’s no worry of crime or pollution.”
If that’s what being remote is, that’s fine by me.”
Kindest regards
Barrel
IF I WALKED ON WATER PEOPLE WOULD SAY I COULD NOT SWIM !
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The law, as they say, is the law.
But some british laws can be broken with impunity.
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I think this just proves we need to fight any form of air rifle licensing in the rest of the UK. Makes criminals out of law abiding citizens.
Where's his User name?
Well said mate. My sentiments exactly. Sign up to oppose all new gun legislation... it can only be detrimental
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Hope those who voted for this govt are proud of the outcome
Gun control means using both hands.
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some may say he was not law abiding though .
He added Gear had not got round to getting a licence at the time of the offence. Subsequent attempts to secure one had, through no fault of Gear’s, failed to prove fruitful.
so he tried to license it ,but he did not succeed. so if he did not succeed he should have given it to a licensed owner or his nearest gunshop before the deadline .
from the story
Mr Allan asked if the gun could be signed over to Gear’s father, who holds a licence for air weapons, rather than have the weapon forfeited.
However, Mr MacKenzie said he was unsure what the terms of Mr Gear senior’s licence were.
“It would be difficult to sign over something which he [Gear] couldn’t lawfully hold.”
yet the airweapon.scot website states this
I have an air weapon I no longer want
If you have an air weapon you no longer want you have various options open to you. You can
sell it or give it away to another air weapon user (who must have the appropriate certificate if they are in Scotland)
sell it to a Registered Firearms Dealer
contact Police Scotland to arrange to hand the weapon in for secure destruction.
http://airweapon.scot/about-the-new-law/ bottom right of the page
so who is right ?
he could have given to his father who had the relevant license or to his RFD until he got a license .
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I was implying he was law abiding till they changed the law.
How often do we go about our general lives and then find doing so breaks laws?
I'm struggling to think of areas of our life this can happen or has happened?
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I had better pay HMRC the 60p they say I owe them.
Otherwise my door may be kicked in and I will end up in court with a massive fine.
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And Scotland!
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How many Brocock TAC pistols are out there in peoples lofts?
That wasn't advertised at all and they are treated more harshly than very high cal centre fires. You cant even sell them to another with a similar certificate so I believe.
On the upside, the English police do not seem to be stoving in peoples front doors to find them and I do not recall a case being brought for possession of a TAC pistol?
The scottish law really is up there with the fox hunting ban. It should be repealed and those with convictions - have them quashed.
This country is becoming one run by total arseholes.
In a battle of wits I refuse to engage with an unarmed person.
To one shot one kill, you need to seek the S. Kill only comes from Skill
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From 20 January 2004, it became an offence under the act for anyone to manufacture, sell, purchase, transfer or acquire a SCGC gun, and it was illegal to be in possession of one after 30 April 2004 unless you had a Section 1 Firearm Certificate. Penalties for non-compliance were fixed at a mandatory minimum imprisonment sentence of five years, up to a maximum of 10 years – and airgunners with air cartridge guns were left with two simple choices: surrender their kit to the police without a penny of compensation; or apply for an FAC.
3 months or so notice . i remember seeing a poster in the shop i used saying they would be put on license .
Home Office figures show failure of "Brocock Ban". BASC press release.
Home Office figures confirm failure of Brocock ban
17th June 2004………………………………………………………immediate release.
Home Office figures have confirmed the attempt to remove self-contained gas cartridge airguns from the streets has failed. In answer to a parliamentary question, Home Office minister Caroline Flint said just over 1500 of the guns, many of which bear the trade name “Brocock”, have been surrendered to the police and less than 6000 have been registered on firearm certificates. From manufacturers’ figures, the British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) estimates there could be up to 68000 airguns of this type still in circulation.
Mike Eveleigh, senior firearms officer at BASC said “We have been warning the Home Office for some time that action was needed or this policy was destined to fail. We urged them to extend the deadline to either hand-in or register these guns but they refused. Now our worst fears have been confirmed – there are tens of thousands of these guns still around, and because of the heavy-handed approach of the Home Office they are likely to end up in hands of criminals. It is now essential that the Home Office makes it a policy not to prosecute for possession of one of these guns unless there is evidence of criminal intent. This would allow many of the guns to be handed in or licensed. There are many people who are still unaware of the change in the law because of a lack of publicity”.
Self-contained gas cartridge airguns are low-powered airguns which use a system where an airgun pellet and the charge of gas or air which fires it are contained in a single cartridge. They can be converted to fire live rounds, and were singled out in the Anti-Social Behaviour Act (2004). The Act made it an offence to sell or give away the guns in January, and from the 30th April it became illegal to possess one without a valid firearms certificate.
Mike Eveleigh said “There is a minimum five year prison sentence for possession of this type of airgun. Before the Act they were available for sale over the counter with no registration. In themselves they are not dangerous, but there is a potential for conversion to fire live ammunition. So the Home Office has succeeded only in creating a huge stockpile of illegal guns. It is time this was put right.” ENDS.
NOTE TO EDITORS: In answer to a question in parliament, Caroline Flint confirmed that 1,524 self-contained gas cartridge airguns have been surrendered, and 5,791 entered on firearm certificates. See Hansard
For more details call the press office on 01244 573031.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ownership.html
and this 65 year must have known they were banned .if not then why did he ask his wife to hide it in her 98 year old mothers house ?http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/new...me_avoid_jail/
and im sure pretty much most of the papers ran a story about the imminent ban also.
yes they maybe did not go as far as the scottish government did with posters on busses and full page ads in the newspapers ,they did not just do it overnight with no warning .
and we do not know why the police kicked in the door of the guy in shetland . it may not have been for the rifle at all.it may have just been a result as they never found the thing they went looking for
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if you visit Scotland for a holiday and take an air gun with you do you need a licence for it
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here you go cliveif you visit Scotland for a holiday and take an air gun with you do you need a licence for it
Visitors to Scotland
If you’re travelling from England or Wales with an air weapon
You will need a visitor permit to use, possess, purchase or acquire air weapons while in Scotland.
Visitor permits are issued by Police Scotland. You can apply for a permit using Form AWL3. Links to download the form can be found on this website.
If you’re travelling from England or Wales, and hold a valid firearm or shotgun licence
If you are aged 14 or over and held a valid firearm and/or shotgun licence issued in England or Wales on 31 December 2016, you won’t need a separate licence to own or use air weapons while in Scotland, until your existing certificate expires. If the licence was granted or renewed on or after 31 December 2016, then you will need a visitor permit.
Visitor permits are issued by Police Scotland. You can apply for a permit using Form AWL3. Links to download the form can be found on this website.
Even if you have a valid firearm or shotgun licence, if you want to buy an air weapon in Scotland and walk out of the shop with it, then you will need a visitor permit.
If you’re travelling from Northern Ireland with an air weapon
A Northern Ireland firearm certificate will not allow you to possess an air weapon in Scotland. Visitors will need a visitor permit to use, possess, buy or acquire air weapons while in Scotland.
Visitor permits are issued by Police Scotland. You can apply for a permit using Form AWL3. Links to download the form can be found on this website.
If you’re travelling from outside the UK with an air weapon
You will need a visitor permit to use, possess, purchase or acquire air weapons while in Scotland.
Visitor permits are issued by Police Scotland. You can apply for a permit using Form AWL3. Links to download the form can be found on this website.
I want to borrow an air weapon while in Scotland, do I need a permit?
If you will be shooting under the supervision of a licence holder, or at an approved club or other authorised venue, then you shouldn’t need a permit. However, if you will be shooting on your own then you will need a visitor permit. If in doubt you should contact Police Scotland for advice before you travel.
If you want to buy an air weapon while in Scotland
If you want to buy an air weapon and walk out of the shop with it, then you will need a visitor permit.
You can buy an air weapon from a Registered Firearms Dealer and have the weapon sent directly to your home country without requiring a permit.
I live in England or Wales but travel to Scotland regularly, can I get an air weapon licence
Yes - licences can be granted to people who live outside Scotland. The licence will only come into effect when the person crosses the border. You should apply to Police Scotland in the normal way.
as in red . if you have a current FAC or SGC you can use them to bring your airgun into scotland but you cant buy a new one ,buy a moderator or component parts .if you want to buy a airgun,a moderator or component parts you will need a license.
but
there is is nothing other than the licensed shooter morals to go in with their license and buy a new rifle and then give it to an unlicensed english owner
and no i would not buy an unlicensed person one ,im just stating the fact that there is no traceability
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