Thanks, yep, WELL worth reading. I now want one (lol). As stated, I always thought the swept volume of the Tommy made it more akin to an F.A.C. application, and as the 'special' has been touched by Ivan, I can definitely see how it beats the mighty Patriot in standard guise both in looks and performance (providing it is left set at a max velocity of 22ft.lb ). Atb: G.