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  1. 15-12-2017, 07:02 PM #1
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    Oldest 77...

    Just picked up an 77. Ser no. 1000101...any one got an older one? Mach 1.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach 1.5 View Post
    Just picked up an 77. Ser no. 1000101...any one got an older one? Mach 1.5
    Yes Mach, I got 1000100!

    Only joking, sounds like you got it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach 1.5 View Post
    Just picked up an 77. Ser no. 1000101...any one got an older one? Mach 1.5

    I'm afraid - not.

    HW77 Mk1 was introduced with the change of the HW35 form leather to synthetic piston seal.
    This happended in 1980 somewhere around serial number 843636 (not sure exactly).

    BTW - I bought a HW77 Mk2 # 1.286.*** of 1993 in .177 recently.
    Didn't open yet but it should have the 25 mm system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelletcaster View Post
    I'm afraid - not.

    HW77 Mk1 was introduced with the change of the HW35 form leather to synthetic piston seal.
    This happended in 1980 somewhere around serial number 843636 (not sure exactly).
    I'm afraid you may be thinking of the HW80.

    January 1984 MK 1 HW 77 released in UK - Mick's list
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelletcaster View Post
    I'm afraid - not.

    HW77 Mk1 was introduced with the change of the HW35 form leather to synthetic piston seal.
    This happended in 1980 somewhere around serial number 843636 (not sure exactly).

    BTW - I bought a HW77 Mk2 # 1.286.*** of 1993 in .177 recently.
    Didn't open yet but it should have the 25 mm system.
    The 77 DEFINITELY was not released in 1980, it was 1983 at least. You must be on LSD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach 1.5 View Post
    Just picked up an 77. Ser no. 1000101...any one got an older one? Mach 1.5
    Just seen a .22 Mk1 HW77 in DAI but at £260 in a worn condition I thought seemed a bit steep!!
    I'd put it at £170 -190 max then it would be worth a re blue and tune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    The 77 DEFINITELY was not released in 1980, it was 1983 at least. You must be on LSD!
    No LSD but some nice Lager. LOL

    But your pleasing comment made me check some other sources and it seems that HW77 was established earlier than 1980 indeed. All I could find so far sounds like early 197*.
    So please accept my sincere and humble appologies.

    I checked
    http://www.weihrauch-database.eu/thelist
    and the earliest entry of a HW77 (in .22) / ser. no. 683223 there is dated 1973 (estimated by computer).

    So still not sure WHEN EXACTLY they came to the market.

    Do YOU know more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelletcaster View Post
    No LSD but some nice Lager. LOL

    But your pleasing comment made me check some other sources and it seems that HW77 was established earlier than 1980 indeed. All I could find so far sounds like early 197*.
    So please accept my sincere and humble appologies.

    I checked
    http://www.weihrauch-database.eu/thelist
    and the earliest entry of a HW77 (in .22) / ser. no. 683223 there is dated 1973 (estimated by computer).

    So still not sure WHEN EXACTLY they came to the market.

    Do YOU know more?
    According to HW it was first sold in 1983 and a lot were sold that year,from s/n 100xxxx to 104xxxx
    Just looked on Wiki and that also states first year of production as 1983
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    It was 1983 for the HW77 the SN 683223 on the database is more likely a HW35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach 1.5 View Post
    Just picked up an 77. Ser no. 1000101...any one got an older one? Mach 1.5
    If its stamped Hull it may be worth contacting them as to the exact date.
    Mine is a 104 start number and has been factory dated as 1983,shame they dont still make them as good today
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    Quote Originally Posted by landymick View Post
    It was 1983 for the HW77 the SN 683223 on the database is more likely a HW35.
    Totally agree,would be strange if it was as stated for a 77 as nothing else appears before 1983
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelletcaster View Post
    No LSD but some nice Lager. LOL

    But your pleasing comment made me check some other sources and it seems that HW77 was established earlier than 1980 indeed. All I could find so far sounds like early 197*.
    So please accept my sincere and humble appologies.

    I checked
    http://www.weihrauch-database.eu/thelist
    and the earliest entry of a HW77 (in .22) / ser. no. 683223 there is dated 1973 (estimated by computer).

    So still not sure WHEN EXACTLY they came to the market.

    Do YOU know more?
    I know the 77 was co-designed by Robert Beeman AFTER he helped design the HW80, which was out in the UK in 1981 or about then. It was made for the nascent sport of FT which only started in 1980. Early 70s is just plain wrong, back then HW made the 55 and the 35 as their 'large rifles' and that was it.

    The 77 was first sighted in 1982 according to Pyramidair

    https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006...a-full-report/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    I know the 77 was co-designed by Robert Beeman AFTER he helped design the HW80, which was out in the UK in 1981 or about then. It was made for the nascent sport of FT which only started in 1980. Early 70s is just plain wrong, back then HW made the 55 and the 35 as their 'large rifles' and that was it.

    The 77 was first sighted in 1982 according to Pyramidair

    https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006...a-full-report/

    Thanks, as it's a very interesting question I went back to the HW-database (link once more below), sorted the models and found a heap of information concerning HW77 out of more than 2k entries.

    http://www.weihrauch-database.eu/thelist

    This first line shows the entry I mentioned in my post above and seems to be incorrect.
    683223 HW 77 .22 1977 June 14th 2016 Yes United Kingdom (GB) Greenfields 2016-06-14


    These following entries seem to be more accurate and follow more likely your information (so very sad for Mach 1,5):
    To all the bystanders - this does not mean that ser.no. 1 000 094 is the VERY FIRST one put on the market. It's only the first registered HW77 in this compilation. There might very well be even some earlier guns.

    1000094 HW 77 .22 1983 1983 No United Kingdom (GB) Trapshot of Lye 2015-07-01
    1000330 HW 77 .22 1983 2015 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2016-06-05
    1000375 HW 77 - 1983 - Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2014-07-12
    1000597 HW 77 .177 1983 2017 Yes Netherlands, The (NL) - 2017-03-28
    1001084 HW 77 .22 1983 2017 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2017-05-23
    1001351 HW 77 .22 1983 1997 Yes United Kingdom (GB) Weybridge Gun Shop 2016-04-12
    1001375 HW 77 .22 1983 January 20th 1984 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2014-10-29
    1003760 HW 77 .22 1984 1985 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2014-11-13
    1003781 HW 77 .22 1984 January 11th 2016 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2016-01-12
    1004358 HW 77 - 1984 August 1984 No - - 2014-07-14
    1004509 HW 77 .22 1984 2015 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2015-12-02
    1008828 HW 77 .22 1984 March 22nd 1984 No United Kingdom (GB) - 2015-02-13
    1011692 HW 77 .22 1984 March 10th 1990 Yes United Kingdom (GB) T&J McAvoys Standish 2016-12-08
    1014920 HW 77 .177 1984 May 30th 2015 Yes United Kingdom (GB) - 2015-05-31
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    Great information. Thanks lads. So is the HW77 the greatest air rifle to date? Or should I be opening another thread? Mach 1.5
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