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if there is children in these houses or visit these houses , then the owners are in breach of that regulation as was the owner of the rifle that killed Ben Wragge .[/QUOTE]
He wasn't because his 14 year old son had permission to use the rifle.
Despite the fact that the gun was clearly dangerous according to press reports.
Last edited by gingernut; 27-12-2017 at 05:31 PM.
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He wasn't because his 14 year old son had permission to use the rifle.Originally Posted by gingernut
Despite the fact that the gun was clearly dangerous according to press reports.[/QUOTE]
The report I read said the lad was only 13 at the time, the owner was also in breach because it was over 12fpe so an un-licenced sect 1, he was also both an utter fool & directly responsible for the death by storing it loaded.
I believe he should get prosecuted, I'm pretty sure a drunk driver would still be prosecuted after killing members of their family & I struggle to see any great difference.
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two 14 year olds were arrested at the scene according to the report . "Two boys aged 14 were arrested on May 1 after the incident and were later released on bail pending further enquiries."
Personally ,i wouldn't have let a 14 year old use a rifle if any were under 14 . technically the 14 years is legal but the under 14 should be supervised as per the the regulations as the 14 year is effectively supervising the 13 year which is not allowed
14 – 17 years
YOU CAN
borrow an air rifle and ammunition
use an air rifle, without supervision, on private premises where you have permission
YOU CANNOT
buy or hire an air rifle, or ammunition, or receive one as a gift. Your air rifle and ammunition must be bought and looked after by someone over 18 – normally your parent, guardian or some other responsible adult.
have an air rifle in a public place unless you are supervised by somebody aged 21 or over, and you have a reasonable excuse to do so (for example, while on the way to a shooting ground).
Under 14 years
YOU CAN
use an air rifle under supervision on private premises with permission from the occupier – normally the owner or tenant. The person who supervises you must be at least 21 years old.
YOU CANNOT
buy, hire or receive an air rifle or its ammunition as a gift, or shoot, without adult supervision. Parents or guardians who buy an air rifle for use by someone under 14 must exercise control over it at all times, even in the home or garden.
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I doubt a prosecution under safe storage would ever be brought against a grieving relative or friend of the family.
Penalty is a fine which is a bit pointless in these circumstances.
As I said at the time the regulations were brought in.
Last edited by gingernut; 28-12-2017 at 12:37 PM.
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This has gone a bit quiet so just thought I'd give it a bump in case anyone hasn't done it yet. I'm compiling my response to the review this week. Really hope licencing isn't put on the table! The only way to stop that is have everyone reply. Hope the manufacturers and trade have come out in force to respond too. Does anyone know how the trade have responded to this yet?
Link again:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/h...land-and-wales
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My collection = Ratworks BSA Scorpion T-10 .177, HW100KS .177 (tweaked by me), PP750, Crosman 1322 and 1377
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Done my bit, sent a respectful response specifically addressing (existing legislation/guidance material) on the three points detailed in the link in the OP.
Treat Others As You Would Wish To Be Treated.
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Sent my response in and got this:
Now if that means they have had 25,000 BASC members responding, great.Responses to the review of air weapons regulation will be taken into account as part of the review. However, due to the volume of responses, we will not be acknowledging each response individually.
But if as I suspect they have had 25,000 RSPCA members responding, there is trouble ahead.
So another bump in case anyone was meaning to respond and hasn't yet.
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