IF you could have a fun plinking session with a FAC springer what would it be?

[Gareth W-B]

[1] I have shot the Eliminator in .20 and it just wasn't fun. [2] I would say that some would have great trouble cocking one in FAC and [3] the shot cycle was very "different" and not in a good way. [4] The trigger was actually very good on the one I tried.

[1] Disagree (shooting mine brought a smile to me mush each and every time I took it out );

[2] Sort of agree, but being 6ft 4" and 17 stone, plus being relatively fit/strong, it presented no problem to me but concede it may for some (which is why folk should try before they buy).

[3] Yes lock time is not as on a 12ft.lb recoiling rifle, true, and not as enjoyable as say, an Evolution, but that is the price you have to pay for the increase in swept volume that is needed to generate the extra F.A.C. ft.lbs of power, and ...

[4] Completely agree -- not the same as the sub 12ft.lb unit (at least I don't think it was, but I could be wrong), but still a superb trigger action with fully adjustable weight and travel.

Each of us have our own opinions following field work with a rile, however, and each set of comments from each user is as valid as the next, so although I seem to be disagreeing with you slightly, here, I will reinforce much of what you say, by adding the caveat that the Theoben Eliminator is not ideally suited for the shorter shooter, or the slight of build shooter, as is best used by a larger framed individual with maybe an above average level of upper body strength?

Atb: G.

[stillair1]

The eliminator requires technique not brut force. Speaking as a 10 stone weakling.

[Gareth W-B]

The eliminator requires technique not brut force. Speaking as a 10 stone weakling.

Ha ha ... Hello Neil, hope all is well. Agree regarding your good self, here, as what with you being one of the most experienced F.A.C. air shooters I know, that is defo the case for you, whereas those of us with less flair need to be able to fall back on brute force and bulk lol.

[Barryg]

The eliminator requires technique not brut force. Speaking as a 10 stone weakling.

Does anyone know what the actual cocking force is on the eliminator? I was told that the 28 ft/lb 460 in the video on post 11 was over 50 lb but at 23-24 ft/lb was only 36 lb so it seems just a few ft/lb can make a fair difference

[Geezer]

Does anyone know what the actual cocking force is on the eliminator? I was told that the 28 ft/lb 460 in the video on post 11 was over 50 lb but at 23-24 ft/lb was only 36 lb so it seems just a few ft/lb can make a fair difference

Tom G wrote up a test on the Pyramydair blog where he measured the cocking effort of a 33ft-lbs Eliminator at 59 pounds. Which is quite a lot.

[bighit]

Does anyone know what the actual cocking force is on the eliminator? I was told that the 28 ft/lb 460 in the video on post 11 was over 50 lb but at 23-24 ft/lb was only 36 lb so it seems just a few ft/lb can make a fair difference

depends on what the Ram pressure is

Tom Gaylord reckons his 12ftlbs fenman was 42lbs.

His crow magnum (eliminator)

Depressurize for best results
Before that test, however, a reader suggested that I let some air out of the gas spring. He said cocking would get easier and I wouldn’t lose that much power. He was right. I dropped the cocking effort back to 45 pounds and the muzzle energy was still 27.5 foot-pounds. What a difference that made! In those days, Theoben made their rifles to be accessible to the owner, so gas spring pressures could be controlled and adjusted by means of an external “slim jim” hand pump. They stopped doing that when most owners over-pumped the guns and burned out the piston seals. Later, when I met Ben Taylor at the SHOT Show (the Ben in Theoben), he told me depressurizing was what the company had always recommended. He said that Beeman was selling the rifle on the basis of sheer power, but that Theoben had always emphasized the smooth firing characteristics with a little less pressure in the spring unit.

[ARBTEC]

Theoben dual magnum

[Shed tuner]

yeah, I ran my Eli mid 20s, and it was a doddle to cock...

[prosport.177]

I ran my eliminator about 24lbs.
Didn't have an issue with cocking it. !

[oneseven]

If I were to practice a lot with a .22 eliminator, what range could I expect to take vermin with it?

Sorry for the hijack question...

[Barryg]

The interesting thing is that FAC springers and rammers seem to be at there best (especially for a fun plinking session) around 24 ft/lb, it's almost like there is a natural limit and after that they stop being fun to shoot just like 12 ft/lb is better if detuned

But wouldn't you guys still like to have a plink with a custom tuned Patriot like this even if it is over 30 ft/lb and hard to cock

[Gareth W-B]

If I were to practice a lot with a .22 eliminator, what range could I expect to take vermin with it?

Sorry for the hijack question...

Once comfortable with mine, which was running in the lower end of the twenties (ft.lb) and was a .20 cal, I would confidently take standing quarry shots out to 40 yards, and bag rested/assisted, from prone, maybe out to 55 yards, max, but no more. Hope this helps?

[Gareth W-B]

But wouldn't you guys still like to have a plink with a custom tuned Patriot like this even if it is over 30 ft/lb and hard to cock

Having briefly had a Patriot shooting at that level (before I had Baz bring it down), nope, no thank you, not for one moment would I voluntarily shoot such a beast again, as imho there was/is nothing awe inspiring, satisfying, or even remotely enjoyable about shooting something so blatantly uncontrollable and inaccurate (an inevitability at that power level due to increased recoil and pellet skirts turning), whatsoever.

[FPoole]

Ha ha ... Hello Neil, hope all is well. Agree regarding your good self, here, as what with you being one of the most experienced F.A.C. air shooters I know, that is defo the case for you, whereas those of us with less flair need to be able to fall back on brute force and bulk lol.

Had no problem cocking the Eliminator myself, but I could see weaker folk having a problem. The version I tried was the Beeman Crow Magnum and it was a beautifully finished gun. Beeman specs had the cocking effort at 60 lbs., in their catalog. I was just afraid I'd lose my fillings, or maybe even my teeth, if I shot it more than 50 times in a sitting.

[oneseven]

Once comfortable with mine, which was running in the lower end of the twenties (ft.lb) and was a .20 cal, I would confidently take standing quarry shots out to 40 yards, and bag rested/assisted, from prone, maybe out to 55 yards, max, but no more. Hope this helps?

Yes, many thanks