Walther Century Or LGV?

[mallyally]

Good grief. It was dismantled by an RFD who effects repairs on springers PCPs and firearms and has more years experience with firearms than I have seen birthdays and had not given me duff advice in the period I knew him.
He showed be the bits and explained why he thought the design had led to so much damage. What he said at the time seemed perfectly reasonable but to be frank....I hate spring guns when they are working correctly and I wasnt really interested in WHY. I was interested in getting this crappy rifle shooting again.
An experienced RFD and repairer saw the parts and felt there was a design flaw. If people think otherwise then I am totally cool with that.
BUT this gun was out of operation for MONTHS because the parts could not be sourced.
A 2nd RFD and experienced gun smith also saw the components and made similar noises unprompted by me and also tried to source the parts.
One bit eventually turned up but the owner decided to fit a non OM part to get his gun back as 2 x RFDs not to mention my efforts were unable to get the internal bits required.
SO....based on the engineering comments of two professional people AND the total lack of customer support from the maker and their supply chain....I think the Century is shit. That may now be different iro supply of parts....it damned well should be but it was a really crap experience and I speak as I find.
The fact the gun got damaged on a partially open but not closed barrel was an accident as ..... like many walks of life...accidents happen. The gun was being handled safely and was not in a dangerous condition however...continual questions from the owner led to an error of not closing the barrel just prior to discharge. It happens. It wont be the first and sure as hell wont be the last.
Does that make it clear as to why my opinion of the Century is not rose coloured spectacles and majestucs herds of wilderbeest sweeping across the plains....����������

Thought it was your gun you were talking about ? thats what you told us at the beginning now you keep saying "the owner " as if it was someone else that had / broke the gun ??
was it something you Experienced or Heard about ( we get a lot of that here Lately ) none of what you wrote makes any sense to me to be honest ( Did you dream it all )
or did the wilderbeasts trample over it cos they were blinded by the Rose tinted Glasses

Sorry in advance ! but its just such a fantastic story

[Steyr]

Thought it was your gun you were talking about ? thats what you told us at the beginning now you keep saying "the owner " as if it was someone else that had / broke the gun ??
was it something you Experienced or Heard about ( we get a lot of that here Lately ) none of what you wrote makes any sense to me to be honest ( Did you dream it all )
or did the wilderbeasts trample over it cos they were blinded by the Rose tinted Glasses

I have centre fires so more than happy to take on the wilderbeest

[Rapidnick]

I own an LGV and have shot a Century (please note Gareth it is a Century not a Centenary) owned by a clubmate which I have shot enough to give it a reasonable evaluation. Both are .177 because clearly comparing the firing cycle of a .22 with a .177 is a waste of time. I would describe the two rifles as both excellent but the LGV feels better. I agree with the comments that the trigger could be better but the one on the LGV has been well adjusted and has served me well. However it isn't a patch on the HW Rekord.
I'm really happy with my LGV. If I could only own one legal limit .177 springer I'd be hard pressed to decide between it and a HW95 heavily tricked with Venom components. On balance I'd probably pick the HW95 because it has a lovely stock. This highlights a major 'plus' for the Weihrauch rifles which is the availability of quality after market stocks. Getting anything decent for the LGV would need to be custom made and would cost an arm and a leg. Thankfully mine has the 'Challenger' variant which is a simple ambi sporter stock made from black plastic. It works ok but clearly is nothing special.

[Shed tuner]

Back on track.. 25mm vs 30mm; both optimised for 12Fp, all other things being equal, the 25mm will have less recoil and less bounce.

As far as firing springers with the barrel not completely closed, I'd be hard pressed to think of any that wouldn't self destruct - very nasty. However, if the point is regarding spares supplies, then fair enough, that would be a concern... as is Nick's point above about aftermarket stocks for the Walther range.

[clarky]

Back on track.. 25mm vs 30mm; both optimised for 12Fp, all other things being equal, the 25mm will have less recoil and less bounce.

As far as firing springers with the barrel not completely closed, I'd be hard pressed to think of any that wouldn't self destruct - very nasty. However, if the point is regarding spares supplies, then fair enough, that would be a concern... as is Nick's point above about aftermarket stocks for the Walther range.

Tbf its often quite tricky getting major component spares from any manufacturer.
Pistons etc are not usually prone to failure ...thus the spares industry often revolves around seals and other consumables like springs, with pistons and the like often being speacial order with time delays...I have found this quite extenisively across the industry while performing all sorts of major tune experiments requiring such bits..HW not one of the least guilty on this score niether.

Well heaven alone knows what happened to this gun...im not sure about being fired without pellet damping....more an act of an agricultural truck going over it!
Note...i wasnt trying to teach anyone to suck eggs but pressumably we get teen kids looking in here ...so was merely trying to re-inforce some good practise ..and no disrespect intended.

[Steyr]

Thought it was your gun you were talking about ? thats what you told us at the beginning now you keep saying "the owner " as if it was someone else that had / broke the gun ??
was it something you Experienced or Heard about ( we get a lot of that here Lately ) none of what you wrote makes any sense to me to be honest ( Did you dream it all )
or did the wilderbeasts trample over it cos they were blinded by the Rose tinted Glasses

Sorry in advance ! but its just such a fantastic story

I have a choice of centre fires so the majestic herds are more than welcome. If it happ3ned then it isnt a fantastic story at all. What do you 2ant me to take a polygraph or something ?
I was witness to it all and as I said it was from experience. It may not make sense to you but reality is reality really.
Any gun can break or be broken but the engineering was critisised by people that have to fix things so I take their comment as being from experience and knowldge of what works and what doesnt. They are neither novices. The supply issue was outrageous and as I said...I made my own enquiries re parts and I hit the same flannel that the 2 RFDs were given. I think it was nigh on a year before the owner said get non OM part/s and he got his gun back in better condition than when he had it.

[Barryg]

Tbf its often quite tricky getting major component spares from any manufacturer.
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I'm a bit confused by that comment, I thought it was easy to get most springer spares except for Umarex stuff.
What about chambers for a start

[Steyr]

Tbf its often quite tricky getting major component spares from any manufacturer.
Pistons etc are not usually prone to failure ...thus the spares industry often revolves around seals and other consumables like springs, with pistons and the like often being speacial order with time delays...I have found this quite extenisively across the industry while performing all sorts of major tune experiments requiring such bits..HW not one of the least guilty on this score niether.

Well heaven alone knows what happened to this gun...im not sure about being fired without pellet damping....more an act of an agricultural truck going over it!
Note...i wasnt trying to teach anyone to suck eggs but pressumably we get teen kids looking in here ...so was merely trying to re-inforce some good practise ..and no disrespect intended.

To get both parts...one of which wasnt OM part...was about 12 months......thats just farcical.

[clarky]

To get both parts...one of which wasnt OM part...was about 12 months......thats just farcical.

That does sound a bit excessive....
I recently had an 8 week wait for a piston nose from HW ...
Chambers are good but are a specialist parts supplier not a manufaturer ....they did not have the piston in stock incidently.

[Geezer]

Back on track.. 25mm vs 30mm; both optimised for 12Fp, all other things being equal, the 25mm will have less recoil and less bounce.

As far as firing springers with the barrel not completely closed, I'd be hard pressed to think of any that wouldn't self destruct - very nasty. However, if the point is regarding spares supplies, then fair enough, that would be a concern... as is Nick's point above about aftermarket stocks for the Walther range.

This is all very sensible.

In Weihrauch terms, the Century is an 80, and the LGV a 95. So the latter will be better at our levels.

[Hsing-ee]

This is all very sensible.

In Weihrauch terms, the Century is an 80, and the LGV a 95. So the latter will be better at our levels.

Big long transfer ports big long transfer ports. And a partridge in a pear tree.

[mallyally]

What sounds even stranger is that a rifle that was Dry fired and Totally Destroyed only needed two Parts to restore it to better than new ?? One of which was the Spring ? You can buy a spring from almost anywhere

I dont mind People being Negative or having a bad experience/ experiences posting on here to help folk with their purchase decision but some on here just like to knock certain brands for fun

I dont like Prosports thats a personal thing and if asked I will say that but would never try to put others off them just for the sake of it ! Makes no sense

[Hsing-ee]

What sounds even stranger is that a rifle that was Dry fired and Totally Destroyed only needed two Parts to restore it to better than new ?? One of which was the Spring ? You can buy a spring from almost anywhere

It is a bit odd. If it was fired with the barrel open then you could possibly expect a bent barrel, maybe damage to the breech latch, broken stock screws or lugs, maybe a damaged cocking lever. But a standard dry-fire? Just a piston head mash-up I would think. I have stripped lots of springers which have been dry-fired multiple times and only one was actually damaged, this was a Baikal where the screw holding the piston washer on had fractured - and even then this might have happened in ordinary use. Squirting WD40 into the comp chamber to get a diesel-detonation will cause more damage.

It is an interesting story, the grenade-like behaviour of this particular Century, and I think some photographs would be very edifying for the audience at home.

[clarky]

What sounds even stranger is that a rifle that was Dry fired and Totally Destroyed only needed two Parts to restore it to better than new ?? One of which was the Spring ? You can buy a spring from almost anywhere

I dont mind People being Negative or having a bad experience/ experiences posting on here to help folk with their purchase decision but some on here just like to knock certain brands for fun

I dont like Prosports thats a personal thing and if asked I will say that but would never try to put others off them just for the sake of it ! Makes no sense

I agree completely ...not sure on not liking the Prosport though...most purposeful looking thing ever.
Not quite so in pictures of it but actually in the hand....it looks more a snub safari rifle than any other springer ive seen, save for a barrel chop 34 in the premium stock...but i respect each to his own..
The internals on that Prosport slightly tweaked is 20 mm groups at 45 yds ...ive actually pulled it of repeatedly in still air.....but not without a pellet in it ...if you do that the underlever swings through 180 and destroys your testicles and the cylinder separates from the cocking arm ...destroying the gun beyond any semblance of repair...😂

[Hsing-ee]

I agree completely ...not sure on not liking the Prosport though...most purposeful looking thing ever.
Not quite so in pictures of it but actually in the hand....it looks more a snub safari rifle than any other springer ive seen, save for a barrel chop 34 in the premium stock...but i respect each to his own..
The internals on that Prosport slightly tweaked is 20 mm groups at 45 yds ...ive actually pulled it of repeatedly in still air.....but not without a pellet in it ...if you do that the underlever swings through 180 and destroys your testicles and the cylinder separates from the cocking arm ...destroying the gun beyond any semblance of repair...😂

I have repaired one! You just need a new bolt to hold the cylinder onto the cocking thing, and some careful glueing and pinning to repair the fore-end. The testicles can just be popped back in, staple up with Rexel No.25 and let nature take its course.

The ProSport is the best springer, except for the squareness of its cocking lever.