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    Lightweight target PCP pistol with dovetail?

    Hi Guys

    It's not often you will find me posting in the target section, but I could do with some guidance on this:

    I have a Crossman Silhouette pistol for the wife which she enjoys shooting, but weight is always an issue - the gun not her! It's around 1.2kg I think?

    I'm trying to get some ideas of a light weight PCP target gun available with ambi or left hand grip which has an 11mm dovetail so she can fit a red dot scope. I know this will send shivers down the spine of several target shooters, but it will not be used for competitions, just for fun, but making it lighter will ensure it get's used more often and give her a better experience.

    So if you can give me some idea of what is out there that is around a kilo or less and available in left hand with a dovetail then that would be a great help. I don't have a budge as such, but would like to keep it under a grand and buy second hand and in mint condition.

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    The PP700w pistol maybe a good choice as most target pistols don't have a 11mmn rail although you can get rails for some of them. ambi grips can be difficult to get as well. another choice my be the airarms pistol as it comes with a ambi grip as standard and I think it may have a 11mm rail but it is much more expensive than the pp700w.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjacobs571 View Post
    The PP700w pistol maybe a good choice as most target pistols don't have a 11mmn rail although you can get rails for some of them. ambi grips can be difficult to get as well. another choice my be the airarms pistol as it comes with a ambi grip as standard and I think it may have a 11mm rail but it is much more expensive than the pp700w.
    Thanks, I have a P700 myself and thing it's great, especially for the money, purely looking for something light for the wife. I got her the Silhouette and sold her P700, now looking at upgrading her again as the silhouette was lighter and a good gun, but it's still not as light as I know you can get, I just need to find what's out there?

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    Still looking for inspiration!

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    You could take a look at the Air arms Alfa pro...i know its quite light....not sure if its got dovetails but it wouldnt be to difficult to use barrel bands like Pro blox.

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    Another crosman

    Hi James, have you considered the slightly cheaper Crosman 2300t, it's not a true match pistol but extremely accurate, ambidextrous, has scope rails but also comes with a very nice LPA mim rearsight, mine with co2 capsule, open sights & trigger shoe weighs 1050g. I have shot mine with opens, red dots, & a 2x pistol scope, like I said not a true match pistol but great for plinking. I see yr not a million miles away so yr more than welcome to try it at Rivi Rifles.
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    If you have deep pockets the Steyr LP2 Compact will set you back about 1200. It is a lovely gun and you will probably be able to get one second hand.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4sjhbt8qDA/maxresdefault.jpg

    Don't know if the FWB Piccolo P11, is still available. Great little gun that probably costs about the same as the Steyr.


    https://www.feinwerkbau.de/en/Sporti...stol-Model-P11

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    https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Feinw...stol_Long/2556

    And from one of my favourite reviewers:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur John Smithsplease View Post
    If you have deep pockets the Steyr LP2 Compact will set you back about 1200. It is a lovely gun and you will probably be able to get one second hand.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4sjhbt8qDA/maxresdefault.jpg

    Don't know if the FWB Piccolo P11, is still available. Great little gun that probably costs about the same as the Steyr.


    https://www.feinwerkbau.de/en/Sporti...stol-Model-P11

    Nicer picture:

    https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Feinw...stol_Long/2556

    And from one of my favourite reviewers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryGTZIdbRKk The bloke cracks me up.
    The problem is none of them have a dovetail for a red dot sight, I was going to buy a more expensive small red dot sight, but can't mount it with a true target pistol having no rail, so the Crossman Silhouette I have is the closest and lightest I've found, but would still like to drop the weight if possible.


    James
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1shot1kill View Post
    Hi James, have you considered the slightly cheaper Crosman 2300t, it's not a true match pistol but extremely accurate, ambidextrous, has scope rails but also comes with a very nice LPA mim rearsight, mine with co2 capsule, open sights & trigger shoe weighs 1050g. I have shot mine with opens, red dots, & a 2x pistol scope, like I said not a true match pistol but great for plinking. I see yr not a million miles away so yr more than welcome to try it at Rivi Rifles.
    Regards John.
    Thanks John

    Trying to stick to a PCP as I have the gear and like the shot count, power and consistency without having to start down the cartridge route.

    Good offer though.

    James
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    Does it definitely have to be PCP James .
    Some lightweight CO2 pistols may be an option

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    LP2 Compact, James?

    I'm pretty sure Steyr do a rail to fit their pistols. Probably be a 20mm rail, mind.

    edit: Steyr rail: steyr-weaver-rail-short.jpg

    edit: LP2 Compact, 780g plus the rail & sight: http://www.steyr-sport.com/en/steyr-lp-2-compact

    edit: Ah, that Steyr rail seems to be for the LP-S, so would be best to check for further info about a rail to fit the LP2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickenbacker View Post
    LP2 Compact, James?

    I'm pretty sure Steyr do a rail to fit their pistols. Probably be a 20mm rail, mind.

    edit: Steyr rail: steyr-weaver-rail-short.jpg

    edit: LP2 Compact, 780g plus the rail & sight: http://www.steyr-sport.com/en/steyr-lp-2-compact

    edit: Ah, that Steyr rail seems to be for the LP-S, so would be best to check for further info about a rail to fit the LP2.
    I've trolled around the Steyr site and can't really find much on this adapter or if you can get one to fit any of the Steyr guns other than the Sillouette which is apparently 1.4kg?

    If I could get a multi shot version with a weaver or dovetail that would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesim1 View Post
    I've trolled around the Steyr site and can't really find much on this adapter or if you can get one to fit any of the Steyr guns other than the Sillouette which is apparently 1.4kg?

    If I could get a multi shot version with a weaver or dovetail that would be great.

    James
    Ah, finding a sight rail might not be as easy as I thought then...

    Multishot! You'll want to buy her an LP50 Compact, then... this is getting a bit heavier, and more expensive.

    This chap has made rails for the LP50: http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/wt...l-for-red-dot/

    OK, he's in the USA, but I can't see it costing more than 50 or 60 quid to have a short bit of rail made up for a Steyr pistol - if indeed that's what the lady wants?


    edit: LP50 Compact, 983g plus sight & rail: http://www.steyr-sport.com/en/steyr-lp-50-compact

    If one can't be bought off the shelf, I'd ask AJP or Shaun @ ISP about the rail.
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    I have an Air Arms Alpha Proj PCP target pistol with an ambi grip which weighs 900gm without the removable barrel weight and 1.05kgm with it attached. It also has an 11mm rail as an integral part of the barrel. The rail takes a red-dot sight - the one I use at present (when not competing) is a Hawke Sport Dot. At 10metres it is as accurate as my Benelli Kite. I used to live close to Bisley, and the pistol was my first choice in the BFTO competitions. However, I now live in Bournemouth, and the pistol has seen little use since I moved, and is in perfect condition. If you would like more details please pm me.
    Regards, David

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    The Hammerli AP20 is 900g and with the cylinder in the "vertical" position it carries the weight near the grip making it appear lighter. You can buy Picatiny rails which clamp to the exposed barrel. It may affect the accuracy but not much. I realise you said you wanted a 11mm rail but red dot sights are available with picatiny rail mounts.
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