Walther LGV .177 Or .22?

[mrto]

Which calibre is the Walther LGV best suited to straight out of the box?

[clarky]

Which calibre is the Walther LGV best suited to straight out of the box?

I dont know this one because everyone buying the LGV...over say the Century etc, was purchasing it for FT biased purposes, so natuarlly seem to choose the smaller caliber. If i ever get a .22 pass through my hands ill let you know.

[mrto]

I dont know this one because everyone buying the LGV...over say the Century etc, was purchasing it for FT biased purposes, so natuarlly seem to choose the smaller caliber. If i ever get a .22 pass through my hands ill let you know.

Thanks,I will probably get the .177 version as early as tomorrow,but I thought I'd ask the question before I take the plunge!

[p.sharp]

Lgv’s are massive lumps with similar specs to a 25mm 77. And we all know how nice early 77’s shoot in the smaller cal. The extra weight on the lgv helps dull the harshness usually associated with .177 springers, imo.

[Muskett]

I presume you are buying it to stretch the range, which is why FT boys go .177 in 12ft/lbs rifles. Even vermin shooting its all in the precision.
I only do .22 in farmyard range sporting weight rifles, and as often as not thats a break barrel.

FAC rated thats a complete game changer.

Just the way it is.

[tmstech]

Which calibre is the Walther LGV best suited to straight out of the box?

Sweeter to shoot in .177, .22 is more snappy. I've had both

[Gareth W-B]

Sweeter to shoot in .177, .22 is more snappy. I've had both

I bow to your experience, as I have not shot one of each LVGs, but is that the right way round? You see given the extra snappy recoil .177 springer rifles by default have to generate by necessity over their .22 stablemates in order to achieve the same or similar ft.lb of power (as I experience with my Webley, BSA and HW springer parings), my experience is that the physics involved always make the .177 variant the much snappier of the two?

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[Arthur John Smithsplease]

You don't need a big heavy gun for 22.

A HW99s is all you will ever need in the bigger calibre.

My LGV is the best 177 break barrel I have ever owned. In fact it's almost as good as the LGU underlever, and better than other underlevers, unless they have been tuned.

Get 177.

[Gareth W-B]

You don't need a big heavy gun for 22.

A HW99s is all you will ever need in the bigger calibre.

Or the HW95K, if sub 12ft.lb, as imho, said HW95K handles that little bit better.

[tmstech]

I bow to your experience, as I have not shot one of each LVGs, but is that the right way round? You see given the extra snappy recoil .177 springer rifles by default have to generate by necessity over their .22 stablemates in order to achieve the same or similar ft.lb of power (as I experience with my Webley, BSA and HW springer parings), my experience is that the physics involved alway make the .177 variant much snappier?

I realize this does not follow the normal thinking, however this is correct for the ones I have owned. I would liken the .177 to feel more like a prosport and the .22 to feel more like a gasram. Ive had a comp ultra and a master in the smaller cal and a master in the larger, both .177s were a nicer shoot and all were straight from the box. Others may have different experience, but they do not follow all the same characteristics of other spring guns. Interestingly both the .177s output was a little lower at around <11 ft.lbs and the .22 at almost at the limit, so perhaps the spring is the same in both, which could explain things.

[Gareth W-B]

I realize this does not follow the normal thinking, however this is correct for the ones I have owned. I would liken the .177 to feel more like a prosport and the .22 to feel more like a gasram. Ive had a comp ultra and a master in the smaller cal and a master in the larger, both .177s were a nicer shoot and all were straight from the box. Others may have different experience, but they do not follow all the same characteristics of other spring guns. Interestingly both the .177s output was a little lower at around 11 ft.lbs and the .22 at almost at the limit, so perhaps the spring is the same in both, which could explain things.

Cheers for that, all duly noted, and very interesting to learn, too, so thank you. That is the beauty of Airgunning and the BBS if approached with an open mind, because as I've said on numerous occasions in the past, for those of us who are always looking to learn more about our sport and it's hardware, every day is a school day.

[Geezer]

Maybe the currently running 9-page Walther vs other stuff thread may help, before we make it entirely about FWB Sports?

The usual rule of thumb is that 12ft-lbs springers are nicer in .22". Most definitely are. Some you can hardly tell (HW77). Once you get to 5-8 ft-lbs the .177s often seem more impressive than lobbing big pellets at 400 something fps compared to smaller ones at 500-600.

[mrto]

I realize this does not follow the normal thinking, however this is correct for the ones I have owned. I would liken the .177 to feel more like a prosport and the .22 to feel more like a gasram. Ive had a comp ultra and a master in the smaller cal and a master in the larger, both .177s were a nicer shoot and all were straight from the box. Others may have different experience, but they do not follow all the same characteristics of other spring guns. Interestingly both the .177s output was a little lower at around <11 ft.lbs and the .22 at almost at the limit, so perhaps the spring is the same in both, which could explain things.

Thanks for the insight I suspect then the transfer port diameter and presumably length,too better suits .177 than .22 at 12ftlbs,so good to know!

[landymick]

This is how I see it, not much in it between the .177 & .22 LGV though my .177 is about half a ft/lb more than the Master .22,both are sweeter than the .177 LGV Century which in turn is sweeter than my standard sports in both cals.

[Gareth W-B]

This is how I see it, not much in it between the .177 & .22 LGV though my .177 is about half a ft/lb more than the Master .22, both are sweeter than the .177 LGV Century which in turn is sweeter than my standard sports in both cals.

Now there is a good, solid, honest, fact-based set of observations from someone well versed on the subject -- an all-round invaluable and informed insight based on real-time ownership(s) that can not sensibly be argued against. Many thanks.