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    what is this 'UNUSUAL PNEUMATIC BOLT ACTION AIR PISTOL' please? (auction lot)

    Adam Partridge Auctioneers - Jan 18/19: The Reginald J Cheetham Collection

    QUESTION ... dearly beloved - forgive my ignorance,
    but what is this at the forthcoming Adam Partridge sale jan 18/19 ?
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...7-a84a0116c9ba


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    I note there are Webleys and BSAs (and even the odd Bugelspanner and Bonehill) amongst the rifles,
    and I even recognise the Lincoln Jeffries and I am sorely tempted Oh heavenly father:
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...f-a84a0116dd87

    Forgive me, but for some unknown reason i also truly lust after this (and it doesn't even shoot!!!):
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...e-a84a01168999

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    But sadly, the only thing I WILL be bidding on is this - so HANDS OFF (please - its just a junker) - its a sentimental thing...
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...b-a84a0116b442

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    [QUOTE=chieffool;7406777]Adam Partridge Auctioneers - Jan 18/19: The Reginald J Cheetham Collection

    QUESTION ... dearly beloved - forgive my ignorance,
    but what is this at the forthcoming Adam Partridge sale jan 18/19 ?
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...7-a84a0116c9ba


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    I think it's a Bedford Eureka.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    Adam Partridge Auctioneers - Jan 18/19: The Reginald J Cheetham Collection

    QUESTION ... dearly beloved - forgive my ignorance,
    but what is this at the forthcoming Adam Partridge sale jan 18/19 ?
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...7-a84a0116c9ba


    - - - - -


    I note there are Webleys and BSAs (and even the odd Bugelspanner and Bonehill) amongst the rifles,
    and I even recognise the Lincoln Jeffries and I am sorely tempted Oh heavenly father:
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...f-a84a0116dd87

    Forgive me, but for some unknown reason i also truly lust after this (and it doesn't even shoot!!!):
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...e-a84a01168999

    - - - - -

    But sadly, the only thing I WILL be bidding on is this - so HANDS OFF (please - its just a junker) - its a sentimental thing...
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...b-a84a0116b442
    Is it a Pope?

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    Not a Pope (no bolt on a pope), and i think Garvin is correct: Bedford Eureka, but missing the spring and retainer end-piece for the 'charging plunger' under the barrel. Don't laugh at my description (as have no idea what the actual parts would be called) - but, let's be honest, even Buck Rogers would want one of these!

    Or would it be more suitable for John Carter of Mars?

    Meanwhile: hands off the broken Cub Gat mentioned above (pleeeease)! Surely none of you serious collectors are going to be interested in bidding. I mean, afterall - where's the original box!

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    [QUOTE=Garvin;7406805]
    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    Adam Partridge Auctioneers - Jan 18/19: The Reginald J Cheetham Collection

    QUESTION ... dearly beloved - forgive my ignorance,
    but what is this at the forthcoming Adam Partridge sale jan 18/19 ?
    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...7-a84a0116c9ba


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    I think it's a Bedford Eureka.
    lt sure is a Bedford & Walker Danny, and there are a few variations of it.

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    My tatty Pope as a comparison.


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    [QUOTE=micky2;7406862]
    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post

    lt sure is a Bedford & Walker Danny, and there are a few variations of it.
    Just to clarify - it was 'me' (chieffool) that asked what it was...
    ...and it was 'Danny' (Garvin) who i think suggested the correct identity of Bedford Eureka

    ...wasn't it?

    MY NEXT QUESTION (bearing in mind it seems obviously to be missing the 'bottom-bit-on-the-plunger-thingy-under-the-barrell') is, IF i end up buying this - has anyone got one they can send me various pics of so i can make the replacement part?

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    It is the first version Eureka, typified by its lack of trigger guard, and it is quite a bit rarer than the later Eurekas with trigger guard, which are more usually referred to as "Bedford and Walkers". This first version also has a more slender plunger rod than the others. Unfortunately in this version the knob missing from the plunger is not just a simple knob but also slides over the barrel, so it is a bit difficult to replace. Not impossible though, and well worth the hassle given the rarity of the pistol. The upper example shows a replacement slider that I made, and the lower example shows a pistol with its original slider.
    I would happy to send you details .

    PS: Can also help you with details for restoring that British Cub should you want them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ccdjg View Post
    It is the first version Eureka, typified by its lack of trigger guard, and it is quite a bit rarer than the later Eurekas with trigger guard, which are more usually referred to as "Bedford and Walkers". This first version also has a more slender plunger rod than the others. Unfortunately in this version the knob missing from the plunger is not just a simple knob but also slides over the barrel, so it is a bit difficult to replace. Not impossible though, and well worth the hassle given the rarity of the pistol. The upper example shows a replacement slider that I made, and the lower example shows a pistol with its original slider.
    I would happy to send you details .

    WOW. Seriously Impressive work.

    I was thinking of possibly recreating as a casting in aluminium (based on other pics of the 'coarser' plunger ends i saw on another site), but now realise from your pics that this First version (without trigger guard) is more of a challenge. I like a challenge, but trying to work out how on earth you managed to make yours?

    Haven't managed to 'win it' yet - though notice already bids coming in.
    Grrrr (curses)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post

    Haven't managed to 'win it' yet - though notice already bids coming in.
    Grrrr (curses)
    I'm afraid the surest way to enourage rival bids is to draw attention to it... sad but true.
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    Anyone know what this is?

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...1-a84a0115d82e

    I found that the makers have made pistols before but cant find much about any rifles.

    The only thing I can think of is that it was made to commemorate the Olympics in 1936 Nazi Germany (Hence the Olympia Mod 36).

    Looks nice but I would guess it shoots bb's(?)

    So not my thing really.

    Although I am eyeing up some of them BSA's........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    I'm afraid the surest way to enourage rival bids is to draw attention to it... sad but true.
    I know. But realistically 'they' are going to find out anyway - and at least we all get to chat about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huttles94 View Post
    Anyone know what this is?

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/a...1-a84a0115d82e

    I found that the makers have made pistols before but cant find much about any rifles.

    The only thing I can think of is that it was made to commemorate the Olympics in 1936 Nazi Germany (Hence the Olympia Mod 36).

    Looks nice but I would guess it shoots bb's(?)
    It looks to be the same 4.4mm lead BB 'Rifled' action that are used in the Anshutz mod 275 to me!




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    [QUOTE=micky2;7406862]
    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post

    lt sure is a Bedford & Walker Danny, and there are a few variations of it.
    I've just had a 'full circle' moment - because while chatting through another thread:
    http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread....e-from-and-Why
    SEE post #19

    ...I've just realised that the Bedford (Walker?) Eureka referred to in my original question at the start,
    is the 'Eureka Air pistol' patented by Mr Henry Quackenbush June 6th, 1871.

    I just find it so odd that Mr Q would choose to call his patent 'Eureka' - and all that word implies when applied to the concept of original thought.

    Was this so radical?

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