1853 3 band Tower Enfield (reproduction or Original?)

[tacfoley]

Some nice marks there - who was J Guerin?

tac

[Huttles94]

Some images of the shotguns on the wall together with the rifle

https://imgur.com/a/y9PNS

I have made a separate thread about them.

Cheers

Jake

[MrGrumpy]

thanks for sharing i really want a 3 band enfield for my collection

[Bjacobs571]

I have a snider its basically a 3 band enfield which shoots cartridges. Used to shoot quite well once I had sorted a bullet that fitted the rifling. Now off ticket and looking lovely on my wall

[Huttles94]

I have a snider its basically a 3 band enfield which shoots cartridges. Used to shoot quite well once I had sorted a bullet that fitted the rifling. Now off ticket and looking lovely on my wall

Wasn't the snider the rifle to replace the old Tower Enfield's as the British service rifle?

Nice rifle's

[tacfoley]

Wasn't the snider the rifle to replace the old Tower Enfield's as the British service rifle?

Nice rifle's

Yes, partly. It's a lot more complicated than that. The British Army adopted it in 1866 as a conversion system for its ubiquitous Pattern 1853 Enfield muzzle-loading rifles, and used it until 1874 when the Martini–Henry rifle began to supersede it. The British Indian Army used the Snider–Enfield until the end of the nineteenth century. Although issued with the Snider prior to Confederation in 1867, Canada retained the Snider in full military issue until the arrival of the Lee-Enfield. I have two Canadian Sniders, the earlier one - without the iconic DC in diamond stamp - is a five-groove, two
two-band short rifle, like the one that Rob is shooting in his Youtube video. My other one, a family heirloom, is a three-band rifle that was issued to the 44th Battalion of Infantry of the Welland and Lincoln County Militia, and saw service during the Fenian Revolt [on the government side, obviously].

tac

[TA6319]

thanks for sharing i really want a 3 band enfield for my collection

I have a type 2 for sale if you are interested?

[marcS]

It does look like an original 19th or early 20th C. Though I might be wrong...reproductions?

[Huttles94]

It does look like an original 19th or early 20th C. Though I might be wrong...reproductions?

Confirmed it is a genuine 1856 Tower Enfield.

Parker Hale made reproductions tower rifles, but I believe to own a repo you need a firearms licence(?)

Jake

[tacfoley]

Confirmed it is a genuine 1856 Tower Enfield. Parker Hale made reproductions tower rifles, but I believe to own a repo you need a firearms licence(?)

Jake

Parker-Hale made Enfield-marked rifles and carbines, not Tower. Tower-assembled military arms predated the setting up of the mass-production facilities at Enfield Lock, just outside London. If is is marked Tower, then it is not an 'Enfield' anything - it is a Pattern of 1853 musket or rifled musket.

An orginal P53 muzzle-loading Tower or Enfield musket/rifled musket is classed as an antique - no form of documentation or firearms certificate is needed.

However, IF you want to shoot it, you must -

1. Be a full member of a gun club of the kind that shoots this style of gun.

2. Have a Firearms Certificate on which it is registered.

To have 2. you must be a full member of 1.

All modern live-firing replicas of rifled muzzleloading firearms are classed as Section 1 firearms, and you'll need an FAC to acquire and possess one. Point 1. refers.

All modern live-firing replicas of smooth-bore muzzleloading muskets/blunderbusses et al with barrels longer than 24" [?] are classed as shotguns, and require a Shotgun Certificate [SGC]. All re-enactors like members of the Sealed Knot and so on, have SGCs, even though all they fire are blanks. Shorter barrelled modern-replicas items, like any handguns or miniature cannon, require a Section 1 FAC.

tac

[loiner1965]

Some nice marks there - who was J Guerin?

tac

i have a couple and a few sniders but not a name i know

[tacfoley]

i have a couple and a few sniders but not a name i know

A 'few' Sniders?

Wow! Do tell.

tac

[loiner1965]

A 'few' Sniders?

Wow! Do tell.

tac

3 band portugeuse
3 band nepalese (rare one as this extracts cases after firing ) usually nepalese ones you have to roger them out due to chamber issues.
also have a 2 bander which i think is a navy issue....all mk3 version

edit.....also a civilian 2 band sporter....off top of my head i think its a mk 2 with a safety device fitted.
its put away as someone rebarrelled it and it just doesnt fit right.....about 1/16 of a turn lol

[mel h]

Jake, looking at the close ups of the lock area I would say that it looks to be an original 19th C. Enfield, almost certainly not one of the 20th C. reproductions. As has been mentioned here the proof marks are important thing. Also the fact that it has an adjustable rear sight sets it above the inferior Indian arms issued after the mutiny. I would assume that it is rifled?

[Huttles94]

Jake, looking at the close ups of the lock area I would say that it looks to be an original 19th C. Enfield, almost certainly not one of the 20th C. reproductions. As has been mentioned here the proof marks are important thing. Also the fact that it has an adjustable rear sight sets it above the inferior Indian arms issued after the mutiny. I would assume that it is rifled?

Last time I checked I could not see any rifling. But the gun could use a clean.