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Thanks again for your response to my questions.
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Well to go back to the OP I don't think there will be any great change & you're worrying for no reason.
The high profile cases that have prompted the review were all as a direct result of either utter outright stupidity by the owner or the existing rules not being complied with, so nothing would have been prevented with tighter control.
The only thing I could see is a ban on building home made airguns.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day
The same could have been said for the high profile case which led to Scottish licensing...Originally Posted by angrybear
Any particular reason you see that as likely? Slightly concerning for me as I do have a few projects on the go.
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So a junkie that was deliberately targeting people is the same as an accident ? yes the accident should not have happened due to some one supervising them .
The junkie was trying to hit Andrew Morton's uncle who was holding andrew. That was not an accident
The scottish license was going through no matter what proof that it was not needed was put forward. A vote grabber as some say.
kenny Macaskill his own words
"We have always been clear that licensing will happen and this has been a valuable exercise in highlighting issues and drawing out concerns around our suggested changes.
"It is important that we now consider all views submitted as we continue to develop a system of licensing that is fair, proportionate and practicable for police and shooters alike.
"It is simply not right that in a modern Scotland air guns are available without a licence.
I would like to think your government people would consider the peoples views on it rather than saying "we are doing it " like macaskill did.
And yes i know the government shaft us with other rulings but they may not in this case
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Many years ago we had to have a license to own a dog all you had to do was just pop into the local post office fill a form in pay a few bob and you were sorted. If England does bring in the licence then doing it like the old dog license is a quick and easy win.
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My point was that shooting a child in the head, even if you happened to be aiming for someone else, was already against the law. It's not like they couldn't prosecute him because of some legal loophole.
I wasn't referring to other accidents, or implying that this incident was an accident.
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Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety, so I could see them making home builds illegal unless you are a professional gunsmith/RFD, which tbh I thought would already be the case anyway.
Personally I don't think Scotland can be compared to the rest of the UK, no police force wants airgun licencing & as said before there are plenty of rules that already cover most issues if only people obey them.
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I agree . using what happened up here is not the same as the Ben Wragge case . And the english government then using what we have here is also not ideal given that macaskill was going to implement it no matter what proof was given from the relevant sources including police scotland who did not agree with it either .
As Terry Doe informed me in a post a while back, The scottish scheme i costing way more money than its bringing in .
I paid £5 for mine due to having an FAC and SGC , And lets not forget that up here it is not the firearms office that does the license ,Its a whole new department . it may not stay that way mind you but that is going to cost a lot of money to set up and run . will the Fees (£79 for a airgun license unless you own an FAC or SGC then its £5) cover these costs?
But then the governments don't care about wasting money
Last edited by bighit; 14-01-2018 at 04:05 PM.
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I didn't know this, do you have a source? I thought it was a B2 or the like.
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Richard Kennett, joint firearms licensing manager for Norfolk and Suffolk Police, told the inquest the gun which fatally injured Ben had been ‘home made’ by the person who sold it and who was not a recognised manufacturer.
Had the law on the licensing and registration and storage of airguns been amended in the past, Ben’s death could have prevented.
Zoe Wragge
The air rifle had no safety catch, could be fired without pulling the trigger and it could not be seen if it was loaded.
https://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news...dent-1-7999202
the safe storage regulations were amended in 2011 (https://www.gov.uk/government/public...afety-jan-2011). . Pity the owner of the homemade rifle that killed ben did not follow them and left it in an airing cupboard.
and one poster on here said the lad that shot him was 14 at the time which is legal but my thinking is that they were not all over 14 so they should have been supervised.
Last edited by bighit; 14-01-2018 at 07:28 PM.
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OK this explains my confusion. I know nothing at all about this case, I was referring to the Andrew Morton case.
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your welcome . Just my take on it and it may be wrong .Others may have other ideas.
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