Waiting 'til March?

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Thanks for the reply.

So it wouldn't show with firearms owners until their licenses came up for renewal.

I would guess that most airgun owners in Scotland don't also own firearms. I would say the same for England.

18 thousand airgun licenses seems rather low, even though Scotland has a small population.

England has a huge population.

There are many reasons why people are treated for depression, as you say.

Whatever the reason, depression is apparently the most common illness in the country. And the number of sufferers is growing.

I would guess that, whatever the official records state, there are many more than 6million who need treatment.

There must also be a lot of depressed policemen, judges, doctors, nurses and teachers in particular. And many of the unemployed. Lots of young people I would guess.

There ain't much to be happy about in modern Britain.

Just joking.

[bighit]

Thanks for the reply.

So it wouldn't show with firearms owners until their licenses came up for renewal. YES

I would guess that most airgun owners in Scotland don't also own firearms. I would say the same for England. correct but there was some people that did say they would not license their airguns no matter what the penalties are. One even said he would use it against the police if they came to take it away

Plus the number of FAc and SGC applications may have went up as some said they would apply for them if they had to license their airguns

18 thousand airgun licenses seems rather low, even though Scotland has a small population. There was a good number handed in also though .plus some people will have sold them thinking they would not get a license due to health issues

England has a huge population.

There are many reasons why people are treated for depression, as you say.

Whatever the reason, depression is apparently the most common illness in the country. And the number of sufferers is growing. The problem is that doctors tend to dish out antidepressants without looking athe reasons for the patient coming to see them.one expression was that they were handing them out like sweeties
My mate was on them for years and when he wanted to come off them ,his doctor kept him on them. He had to see a psychologist through his new employer to get off them . His doctor tried to keep him on them. Some doctors may think Anti depressants is the cure all for all reasons to see the doctor

chest infection = have some sertraline
sore leg =have some Citalopram
ear infection = have some Fluoxetine
ok im taking the pee but who knows

I would guess that, whatever the official records state, there are many more than 6million who need treatment. The 6 million is pills handed out not people .And that was just the number for Scotland

There must also be a lot of depressed policemen, judges, doctors, nurses and teachers in particular. And many of the unemployed. Lots of young people I would guess. I would say so too but most won't admit it

There ain't much to be happy about in modern Britain.

Just joking.

Answers in red .

[Arthur John Smithsplease]

Thanks again for your response to my questions.

[angrybear]

Well to go back to the OP I don't think there will be any great change & you're worrying for no reason.

The high profile cases that have prompted the review were all as a direct result of either utter outright stupidity by the owner or the existing rules not being complied with, so nothing would have been prevented with tighter control.

The only thing I could see is a ban on building home made airguns.

[eyebull]

The high profile cases that have prompted the review were all as a direct result of either utter outright stupidity by the owner or the existing rules not being complied with, so nothing would have been prevented with tighter control.

The same could have been said for the high profile case which led to Scottish licensing...

The only thing I could see is a ban on building home made airguns.

Any particular reason you see that as likely? Slightly concerning for me as I do have a few projects on the go.

[bighit]

The same could have been said for the high profile case which led to Scottish licensing...

So a junkie that was deliberately targeting people is the same as an accident ? yes the accident should not have happened due to some one supervising them .

The junkie was trying to hit Andrew Morton's uncle who was holding andrew. That was not an accident

The scottish license was going through no matter what proof that it was not needed was put forward. A vote grabber as some say.

kenny Macaskill his own words

"We have always been clear that licensing will happen and this has been a valuable exercise in highlighting issues and drawing out concerns around our suggested changes.
"It is important that we now consider all views submitted as we continue to develop a system of licensing that is fair, proportionate and practicable for police and shooters alike.
"It is simply not right that in a modern Scotland air guns are available without a licence.


I would like to think your government people would consider the peoples views on it rather than saying "we are doing it " like macaskill did.

And yes i know the government shaft us with other rulings but they may not in this case

[sandyman1963]

Many years ago we had to have a license to own a dog all you had to do was just pop into the local post office fill a form in pay a few bob and you were sorted. If England does bring in the licence then doing it like the old dog license is a quick and easy win.

[eyebull]

So a junkie that was deliberately targeting people is the same as an accident ? yes the accident should not have happened due to some one supervising them .

The junkie was trying to hit Andrew Morton's uncle who was holding andrew. That was not an accident

My point was that shooting a child in the head, even if you happened to be aiming for someone else, was already against the law. It's not like they couldn't prosecute him because of some legal loophole.

I wasn't referring to other accidents, or implying that this incident was an accident.

[angrybear]

The same could have been said for the high profile case which led to Scottish licensing...

Any particular reason you see that as likely? Slightly concerning for me as I do have a few projects on the go.

Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety, so I could see them making home builds illegal unless you are a professional gunsmith/RFD, which tbh I thought would already be the case anyway.

Personally I don't think Scotland can be compared to the rest of the UK, no police force wants airgun licencing & as said before there are plenty of rules that already cover most issues if only people obey them.

[bighit]

Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety, so I could see them making home builds illegal unless you are a professional gunsmith/RFD, which tbh I thought would already be the case anyway.

Personally I don't think Scotland can be compared to the rest of the UK, no police force wants airgun licencing & as said before there are plenty of rules that already cover most issues if only people obey them.

I agree . using what happened up here is not the same as the Ben Wragge case . And the english government then using what we have here is also not ideal given that macaskill was going to implement it no matter what proof was given from the relevant sources including police scotland who did not agree with it either .

As Terry Doe informed me in a post a while back, The scottish scheme i costing way more money than its bringing in .

I paid £5 for mine due to having an FAC and SGC , And lets not forget that up here it is not the firearms office that does the license ,Its a whole new department . it may not stay that way mind you but that is going to cost a lot of money to set up and run . will the Fees (£79 for a airgun license unless you own an FAC or SGC then its £5) cover these costs?

But then the governments don't care about wasting money

[eyebull]

Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety...

I didn't know this, do you have a source? I thought it was a B2 or the like.

[bighit]

Thanks again for your response to my questions.

your welcome . Just my take on it and it may be wrong .Others may have other ideas.