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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    The same could have been said for the high profile case which led to Scottish licensing...

    Any particular reason you see that as likely? Slightly concerning for me as I do have a few projects on the go.
    Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety, so I could see them making home builds illegal unless you are a professional gunsmith/RFD, which tbh I thought would already be the case anyway.

    Personally I don't think Scotland can be compared to the rest of the UK, no police force wants airgun licencing & as said before there are plenty of rules that already cover most issues if only people obey them.

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    Many years ago we had to have a license to own a dog all you had to do was just pop into the local post office fill a form in pay a few bob and you were sorted. If England does bring in the licence then doing it like the old dog license is a quick and easy win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrybear View Post
    Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety, so I could see them making home builds illegal unless you are a professional gunsmith/RFD, which tbh I thought would already be the case anyway.

    Personally I don't think Scotland can be compared to the rest of the UK, no police force wants airgun licencing & as said before there are plenty of rules that already cover most issues if only people obey them.
    I agree . using what happened up here is not the same as the Ben Wragge case . And the english government then using what we have here is also not ideal given that macaskill was going to implement it no matter what proof was given from the relevant sources including police scotland who did not agree with it either .

    As Terry Doe informed me in a post a while back, The scottish scheme i costing way more money than its bringing in .

    I paid 5 for mine due to having an FAC and SGC , And lets not forget that up here it is not the firearms office that does the license ,Its a whole new department . it may not stay that way mind you but that is going to cost a lot of money to set up and run . will the Fees (79 for a airgun license unless you own an FAC or SGC then its 5) cover these costs?

    But then the governments don't care about wasting money
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    Quote Originally Posted by angrybear View Post
    Only that the young lad was killed by a home built airgun with no safety...
    I didn't know this, do you have a source? I thought it was a B2 or the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    So a junkie that was deliberately targeting people is the same as an accident ? yes the accident should not have happened due to some one supervising them .

    The junkie was trying to hit Andrew Morton's uncle who was holding andrew. That was not an accident
    My point was that shooting a child in the head, even if you happened to be aiming for someone else, was already against the law. It's not like they couldn't prosecute him because of some legal loophole.

    I wasn't referring to other accidents, or implying that this incident was an accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    I didn't know this, do you have a source? I thought it was a B2 or the like.
    Richard Kennett, joint firearms licensing manager for Norfolk and Suffolk Police, told the inquest the gun which fatally injured Ben had been ‘home made’ by the person who sold it and who was not a recognised manufacturer.

    Had the law on the licensing and registration and storage of airguns been amended in the past, Ben’s death could have prevented.
    Zoe Wragge

    The air rifle had no safety catch, could be fired without pulling the trigger and it could not be seen if it was loaded.

    https://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news...dent-1-7999202


    the safe storage regulations were amended in 2011 (https://www.gov.uk/government/public...afety-jan-2011). . Pity the owner of the homemade rifle that killed ben did not follow them and left it in an airing cupboard.

    and one poster on here said the lad that shot him was 14 at the time which is legal but my thinking is that they were not all over 14 so they should have been supervised.
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    OK this explains my confusion. I know nothing at all about this case, I was referring to the Andrew Morton case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    OK this explains my confusion. I know nothing at all about this case, I was referring to the Andrew Morton case.
    Yes i believe the airgun in the Morton case was a Westlake rifle that had been "tuned "and supposedly over the 12 ftlbs limit but i could find no written proof of this.

    And the killer Mark Bonini is due to be released soon as his 13 year sentence is close to finishing .
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    OK this explains my confusion. I know nothing at all about this case, I was referring to the Andrew Morton case.
    Which needed no further legislation as shooting at people is already illegal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur John Smithsplease View Post

    Why March? Isn't that when we learn what new measures the government might take on the subject of airgun ownership?

    There is going to be a discussion in February I believe.

    And who knows what they will come up with?
    Whilst peoples' concerns are justified, my own view is that it is not inevitable that the airgun licence will be introduced in England & Wales.

    Scotland has but a small fraction of the population and is a tiny socialist experiment under the SNP.

    The staggering logistics of introducing this needless measure in 43 already hugely stretched police force areas for the airgun owning percentage of 60 million people rather militates against it in light of the wider issues govt has to contend with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrybear View Post
    Which needed no further legislation as shooting at people is already illegal
    Exactly my point.
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