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    point us in the right direction?

    hi guys, my step dad has a musket which he has had up for sale for a while now. he had it when he was really into the american civil war re-enactments but when circumstances put a stop to the hobby the guns went too. so it is currently in a gun shop but its not had any interest that we know of so i was thinking that perhaps there is a more specific place to check out. it is a 12 gauge (though not a shell, not sure how that works myself) 3 band Lee Enfield muzzle loading musket. it seems to me a pretty specialist weapon which is probably a bit obscure for a general coutryside gun shop. so any advice would be greatly appreciated as its been hanging around a few years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christofloffer View Post
    hi guys, my step dad has a musket which he has had up for sale for a while now. he had it when he was really into the american civil war re-enactments but when circumstances put a stop to the hobby the guns went too. so it is currently in a gun shop but its not had any interest that we know of so i was thinking that perhaps there is a more specific place to check out. it is a 12 gauge (though not a shell, not sure how that works myself) 3 band Lee Enfield muzzle loading musket. it seems to me a pretty specialist weapon which is probably a bit obscure for a general coutryside gun shop. so any advice would be greatly appreciated as its been hanging around a few years now.
    as it a rifle type rear sight with ladder on or a simple v shape one?
    many rifled 3 band enfields were converted to smooth bore but some were originally made that way......
    edit....3 band enfields in original form are .577 cal but smooth bored i think they are .650 or .690 cal http://www.mlagb.com/wp-content/uplo...smoothbore.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by loiner1965 View Post
    as it a rifle type rear sight with ladder on or a simple v shape one?
    many rifled 3 band enfields were converted to smooth bore but some were originally made that way......
    edit....3 band enfields in original form are .577 cal but smooth bored i think they are .650 or .690 cal http://www.mlagb.com/wp-content/uplo...smoothbore.pdf
    Is this an original Enfield P53 converted to a shotgun? [Not a Lee-Enfield, that is a much later bolt-action magazine-fed rifle.] Or is it a modern replication? If it is an original Enfield, then no form of documentation is required to own it, but if it is used to shoot blanks, as in re-enacting, a Shotgun Certificate is required to possess it and or use it. The same shotgun certificate is needed if it is a modern reproduction firearm. Did you check that aspect out?

    This firearm would suit the needs of an American Civil War re-enactor or British empire Victorian Army of the time before the adoption of the Martini breechloader.

    This shotgun is a muzzleloader - that is to say, the powder, wads, shot-load and more wads are loaded down the barrel from the open end. A percussion cap is then put on the nipple, and then the thing can be fired.

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    got a bit of solid information about it. its an Indian reproduction, 16 gauge muzzle loading P53 3 band enfield smooth bore. it is meant for balls and was used for blank firing demonstrations, but i think he said he did actually shoot it properly a couple of times. we didnt actually get it out in the shop as the chap was fairly busy so we just got the basic info and got out of his hair. so at the moment i dont know what the sights are, but the pictures will hopefully show us.
    personally i am not very clued up on this type of thing, still figuring most things out to be honest, but i would imagine a reproduction would be a bit more limited in its value and likely buyers. the chap in the shop is going to send us a few photos so we can try some of the re-enacting circles. its certainly nothing we would want back, nobody in the house has a certificate of any sort right now so we are not worried about it being in the shop. we just figured it would be best if we were a bit more proactive with it as its obviously not getting much attention where it is and its been a while since he last tried asking around his old friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christofloffer View Post
    got a bit of solid information about it. its an Indian reproduction, 16 gauge muzzle loading P53 3 band enfield smooth bore. it is meant for balls and was used for blank firing demonstrations, but i think he said he did actually shoot it properly a couple of times. we didnt actually get it out in the shop as the chap was fairly busy so we just got the basic info and got out of his hair. so at the moment i dont know what the sights are, but the pictures will hopefully show us.
    personally i am not very clued up on this type of thing, still figuring most things out to be honest, but i would imagine a reproduction would be a bit more limited in its value and likely buyers. the chap in the shop is going to send us a few photos so we can try some of the re-enacting circles. its certainly nothing we would want back, nobody in the house has a certificate of any sort right now so we are not worried about it being in the shop. we just figured it would be best if we were a bit more proactive with it as its obviously not getting much attention where it is and its been a while since he last tried asking around his old friends.
    sounds like its a sepoy musket but will be able to offer more advice when we see pics

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    The Indian-made replicas can vary between passable shooters with a certain degree of fettling, to downright gun-shaped nightmares.

    Their second-hand value is comparatively low, often as little as half the original price - even less.

    tac

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    could you advertise it on here ?
    Im a bit of a collector

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