BSA R10
Hw100
I’ve also had both an the R10SE was nothing but hassle. Under powered at around 10.2 with most pellets, constantly leaked, nowhere near the shot count BSA claim (I got about 100 per fill), several parts needed replacing under warranty and all this was in just 6 weeks of owning it.
During that 6 weeks it had 5 trips back to the shop and on the 5th, I asked for a swap for a new HW100.
The HW100 is better in every single area other than looks.
I would never touch another BSA product again!
Mick
Being as I've had neither, I haven't cast a vote as I don't think I'm qualified to do so but as an independent observer and from feedback and "musings" of all the comments I've heard for both air rifles over the years, including maintenance and physical asthetics, I'd probably go for the Weihrauch.
My local air rifle club uses a number of HW 100's as Club Guns so I have to take that into account also.
I'm not a great PCP fan these days, but I maybe might in the past, have gone for the HW100 possibly in a sporter stock (although the T'Hole is an Ambi and I'm a southpaw) but the right handed cocking lever always deterred me as on the AA 510 series being a lefty like.
So, Yeah, the Weihrauch for me !
So I may as well vote now !
“An airgun or two”………
OK.... Your next issue will be availability of Ammo in .20 and finding one that the barrel likes. >20 is the least popular cal iro makes and variants so your limiting your choice. Now that isn't necessarily a Bad thing but you're definitely fishing in a smaller pond.
I personally would not buy .22 for a sub 12 gun or .25 for that matter unless it was close barn clearing or tough close quarry such as rats or squirrels or pigeon. Pigeon is tough is your close with .177 as the pellet drills too easily.
I personally would prefer .177 for the flatter traj and I would carry two pellet types rather than 2 guns.
One would be a dome for longer shots and the other would be a hollow point (or similar) for closer tuff stuff.
Both would be as soft a lead content as you can get with no antimony. Soft lead squashes whereas antimony can resist deformation.
I actually go for light soft lead such as JSB Exact Express 7.9 grain. It whacks really well and seems to drop better than 8.4 std JSB Exacts. I use Bisley Pest control hollows as my barrel likes them and I get to 25 to 30 yards before it turns into Cinderella's house brick. But when it comes to HP's the furthest you can shoot them can vary greatly.
.20 is a compromise calibre and a compromise is still a compromise with less choice.
The .177 has a huge option of pellet weight if you want to kcuf about with weights and stuff but I go .177 soft lead and light weight and it does it for me.
I would certainly do you homework on pellet selection open to you in .20 before you make the jump and bigger Cal in sub 12 is just another level of handicap imho.
That said, if you know the distance and you know your gun, you can shoot a bloody sub 12 .30 Cal and drop stuff....I just don't see the advantage in buying something that shoots like a bloody rainbow and isn't as pretty. There sure isn't no crock of gold at either end as I see it.
Also, I guess, you only live once so if you isn't done it......
Still think .177 is the best route an piss about with pellets and head size and weight and plastic point bits and......well you get the idea
In a battle of wits I refuse to engage with an unarmed person.
To one shot one kill, you need to seek the S. Kill only comes from Skill
I bought a brand new R10SE for its looks and feel. It could not knock down even the close range targets at my club, managed about 60 shots per fill and went straight back to BSA via the shop who kindly exchanged it for an HW100 which is perfection in quality, reliability and accuracy for me.
I really wanted to support the BSA name but when I looked at springers/gas ram, I had a choice between a new Lightning GR (on a super discount) or an Air Arms TX200 and the stock finish on the Lighting around the cocking lever looked like it was carved with a blunt butter knife. (Looked OK on the outside though), so if they can't even care about the bits you don't really see until you turn the gun upside down, I don't trust their overall quality of workmanship. Especially after my experience with a new R10SE.
So I now have an HW100, HW99 and AA TX200. No BSA for me much to my disappointment.
A couple of the Guys at the Club have new R10SE's and are delighted with them, no problems to be fair, perhaps just mine was a bad one.
I had a hw100 for years, consistent and never let me down. I've never owned an r10 though they have tempted me aesthetically. I was looking at them again recently until I came across a bargain HW110.
I have a HW100KT, solidly built, easy to work on, accurate.
At my club, Weihrauch's are the only magazine fed guns which NEVER EVER have troubles.
However, as many say, visit a local club if you can and there you will get any info you need; many people are only too pleased to offer advice and often a few shots as well. Good luck with your quest.
Would be the HW for me.
Never had an R10, but the build and quality of the 100 is top draw. Foolproof, solid mag system and sublime trigger and cocking action. What more could you possibly want?!!
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