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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    If its not pitted its straightforward to strip the enamel and polish and reblack to the original finish spec...
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    Hello Richard,

    I agree, but it will have been refinished which would be major turn off for some collectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unframed Dave View Post
    Are you allowed to bid at an auctioneers you work for?

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    Of course, why wouldn't we be I'm not the actual auctioneer?

    There's no special treatment though I'm stood in the room just like you and have to pay the same commissions etc

    Having to be at every sale its very hard not to impulse buy every bargain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abasmajor View Post
    Hello Richard,

    I agree, but it will have been refinished which would be major turn off for some collectors.

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    We have ways of making a new finish match the original exactly and even distress it to look original and worn in line with the woodwork, I'll bring a couple of examples to Kempton

    Unscrupulous folk have passed off some of these as original but we wouldn't condone that
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    Of course, why wouldn't we be I'm not the actual auctioneer?

    There's no special treatment though I'm stood in the room just like you and have to pay the same commissions etc

    Having to be at every sale its very hard not to impulse buy every bargain
    I'm not questioning you or Holts personally. Let's just say though an unscrupulous auction house advised a client that an item was worth less than it actually was in order to snap it up for themselves (assuming no one else in the room wanted it). Wouldn't there be a conflict of interests?

    I'd always assumed auction staff wouldn't be allowed to bed, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unframed Dave View Post
    I'm not questioning you or Holts personally. Let's just say though an unscrupulous auction house advised a client that an item was worth less than it actually was in order to snap it up for themselves (assuming no one else in the room wanted it). Wouldn't there be a conflict of interests?

    I'd always assumed auction staff wouldn't be allowed to bed, that's all.

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    You'd think it would be a conflict of interest, wouldn't you?

    I was at an aucton, years ago, when the auctioneer himself actually said 'We'll have some of that. Put that down to us'. There were a number of lots of office supplies with bidders being invited to say how many lots they wanted once a price had been established. Nobody seemed concerned.

    IF you recall one of the major international houses caused a scandal fairly recently when it was revealed that they had lent money to a punter to buy some work of art at an inflated price to create a record price.

    I hate the way Buyers' Premiums have crept all over the country. We only used to get them in Lincolnshire and the sales people would knock stuff down if it got within 5 or 10% of the reserve and forgo their premium in order to get the sale, settling for just the usual commission. I don't deny them the right to make a living but they do seem to have got very greedy. In fine arts they can end up with as much as a third of the monies achieved. It can seem as if the auction is for their benefit rather than the owner of the goods. I once bought a 1931 Rolls Woody estate for £10,000, firmly believing that there was some profit in it. There was, about £1500, but for me to obtain that through a prestige car auction it would have have to do about £13000 under the hammer, with them then having a second bite out of the buyer.

    Incidentally the kids have been told it is only to be referred to as My First Rolls Royce, but I seriously doubt if there'll be a second!

    You must remember that all that small print in the catalogue was written by the auctioneer and mostly protects .. the auctioneer!

    Of course, this is only my take on it and I'm sure Messrs Christie, Sotheby, et al will plead poverty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unframed Dave View Post
    I'm not questioning you or Holts personally. Let's just say though an unscrupulous auction house advised a client that an item was worth less than it actually was in order to snap it up for themselves (assuming no one else in the room wanted it). Wouldn't there be a conflict of interests?

    I'd always assumed auction staff wouldn't be allowed to bed, that's all.

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    I can see your point but valuations are issued by the respective specialists rather than the reps

    They would have to be crooks and they certainly arent
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    Sold

    Went for £3300 + fees.

    I think that’s around £4250.

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    hi, £3,300 was my final bid.. and the person who bid £3,400 won it.. + fees + postage.
    not far off the £5,000 mark.. i was so looking forward to a nice jw50 tipper..
    now i suppose i will never get one ! kind rgds.. J.S.D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abasmajor View Post
    Apologies for straying a bit off thread, but I notice Holts also have a refinished Webley Mk2 Service on offer in the rarer .25 calibre with matching Ser No to the barrel.

    The refinish will no doubt put many off, but it will be interesting to see if it reaches anything close to the estimate.

    http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com...4559&saletype=

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    The .25 calibre Mk2 Service sold for £600 hammer (£780 with costs.) Still a good price for a refinished example.

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    Considering the rarity, considering the high profile these rifles have, considering its a good looker, then I'm not surprised at all. There are cars that cost more than that to get serviced.
    Someone has a lovely rifle.

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    GSMN1's guess was very close then.
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    Not too surprised, as it has been said, there are people with that sort of money to spend !

    Another example around ten years back, I was in a guitar shop on the south coast of England in the process of buying a Martin acoustic when on admiring a genuine 1957 Fender Stratocaster (two tone like Buddy's) the shop proprietor took it off the wall and placed it in my mits... "Here have a play, be my guest" !
    Price was £53K !
    He also had a '62' at £34k and a '68' at £15k !

    Upon enquiring as to the pricing of these guitars, I got the self same reply....... "Oh my Clients are very wealthy people who think nothing of driving down here and spending that sort of money on rare guitars" !

    Bought the Martin after a 3 hour stay, left and drove back home musing on his comment !
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptdunk View Post
    Went for £3300 + fees.

    I think that’s around £4250.
    That learned friends is the power of a proper international auction

    Selling privately that’s a £2000 gun and you would have to wait months for the right buyer.

    Suddenly the sellers premium looks cheap
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    That learned friends is the power of a proper international auction

    Selling privately that’s a £2000 gun and you would have to wait months for the right buyer.

    Suddenly the sellers premium looks cheap
    Not really.

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