let's talk about accuracy

[Simonsays]

You can choose to accept this or not, AG, but I have never known this to be the case. I test most of the new guns and I've toured many factories many times, but I've never known there to be a batch of guns specifically assigned for testing. It sounds like it should happen, but in my experience, it doesn't. Just saying.

Terry, I don't doubt that you get a standard production gun to test - but I doubt it'll be the worst example. It'll have been selected tried and tested before you see it. This only makes sense.

To give a real example I recall your article on the Compatto and its assessment and development. Glowing reports after months of use and development, no problems, perfect cycling etc etc. It took less than an hour for me to find my particular example at least could not group, jammed regularly, refused air was pellet fussy in the extreme and the cocked bolt could easily open in the field. You would never have received this example to test as somebody at the factory would have the sense to check what they gave out for test showed the product in its best light. Or if you did it would be hastily replaced.

You may even recall that I wrote to you about this very issue. To which I didn't receive a reply incidentally but I do appreciate that you have other concerns demands on your time to answer miffed customers.

I'm not saying that all are like this but it is rare to find a test that finds anything seriously negative ever.

[Terry D]

I'm not saying that all are like this but it is rare to find a test that finds anything seriously negative ever.

Simon, all I can say is, please study any of my tests and point out where I should have criticised something but failed to do so. As for your Compatto, I don't think it was representative of the production guns, and the one I had was deliberately, at the request of the company, abused to an often absurd degree. I was actually asked to abuse it until it malfunctioned, but apart from grit getting in it when I threw it in a muggy puddle, it carried on working. I reported what I found, as I always do.

[Terry D]

Makes me laugh when people think 6mm edge to edge group at 50 yards is accurate.

When shot off-hand from a sporting standing position, maybe that's acceptable, but from a sandbag?

Sheer incompetence.

When you've been around a while, sonny, you'll know enough to respect those who know a bit about these 'ere slug guns.

Oh, and MY Relum Tornado can go right frew a dustbin and STILL drop a rabbit at 70 yards. Got two springs in it, innit?

Think on, mush.

[Terry D]

I have never douted your statements sir but I have seen ' review ' guns in the hands of others that have been full of scratch to the stock meaning that the guns had been going around.

Or that they'd been used as demo guns at shows. Yes, really. Several major companies have sent me rifles to test that made their debuts at shows. The first HW100 I tested was an ex-demo rifle. Yes, some rifles may go from tester to tester, but they're not specially prepared; the company simply doesn't want to have another rifle it can't sell.

[32:1]

OK Ive been practicing a lot, can someone tell me how small a barn door is and how far away I should be as I fancy a go at it now, if its open and all go through is that a single hole'r

Chris

[LESS THAN FORTUITOUS KENNETH]

I'm clearly rubbish then!

A good day for me is not getting any wee on the toilet seat. I have to focus on my breathing though.

What hold do you use?

[GoodWILLHunting]

Was lucky enough to buy an ex demo gun from the sales section here, in great original nick, long after that model had been discontinued, so three cheers for the demo gun.

As to accuracy, I'm out classed in this thread, perhaps I should ask for a refund

[bozzer]

My shooting buddy once stalked a rabbit for over 20 minutes , just as he took aim , a dog appeared out of nowhere and began sniffing his backside !

All that work getting to within 30 yards despite having a couple of chances from further out ...

I spend hours crawling around the countryside hoping something will sniff my backside. So 20 minutes ... result.

I think maybe you've all got the OP wrong here.

I think Doe's on to it.

I think there's a language issue here and the lad's come across as a bigger villain than he intended.

I think he's basically saying that a good quality, modern PCP with the right batch of the right pellet ... off a bagged rest off a bench ... 5p at 30 yards isn't a great thing. We'd all agree with that. We'd want 5p in those conditions ( no wind ... indoors ) at much greater ranges.

I'd give the lad the benefit at this point to be honest.

We've jumped all over him and mentioned he may put others off ... We may be acting a little hostile to a guy who just wants to get involved in the BBS community and hit slightly off the mark he was aiming at.

[Alakar]

What are you saying Bozzer ?
Trial by Internet forum is unfair ?

[Simonsays]

Simon, all I can say is, please study any of my tests and point out where I should have criticised something but failed to do so. As for your Compatto, I don't think it was representative of the production guns, and the one I had was deliberately, at the request of the company, abused to an often absurd degree. I was actually asked to abuse it until it malfunctioned, but apart from grit getting in it when I threw it in a muggy puddle, it carried on working. I reported what I found, as I always do.

Lucky you Terry. i'm on my second one (replaced under warranty) and the replacement is below par too. Shame as I like the package but its useless if it cannot confidently hit the target.

[bozzer]

What are you saying Bozzer ?
Trial by Internet forum is unfair ?

Just maybe!

[lensman57]

what sub 12 are you shooting of a bag if a 6mm group at 50yards is inaccurate I ask because i want one !!!!!!

Perhaps he should conduct the accuracy tests.

A.G

[StevieB1968]

I've just bought a Pro Sport after not shooting for a few years and am cutting cotton buds in half at 28yds 😀 I'm well happy with this and Yes, you can do a feature on me if you want 👍

[noz1]

I seem to remember a while ago a post from someone who could hit crows in the head at 80 yards. When challenged to do this, for a decent wager, as I recall, that was the end of the matter. As far as I am concerned, posts such as this should never make it to the forum.

[Simonsays]

I think there's a language issue here and the lad's come across as a bigger villain than he intended.

I think he's basically saying that a good quality, modern PCP with the right batch of the right pellet ... off a bagged rest off a bench ... 5p at 30 yards isn't a great thing. We'd all agree with that. We'd want 5p in those conditions ( no wind ... indoors ) at much greater ranges.

I'd give the lad the benefit at this point to be honest.

We've jumped all over him and mentioned he may put others off ... We may be acting a little hostile to a guy who just wants to get involved in the BBS community and hit slightly off the mark he was aiming at.

I came to a similar conclusion and would tend to agree.