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  1. 22-03-2018, 10:12 AM #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    I'm not a member on there Mick . it showed when I googled the names given by the OP

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    Not sure if he has posted on there or its a common name Ziniwuchi

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  2. 22-03-2018, 10:16 AM #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcham View Post
    like wise.idiot, can we now close this thread please.
    Now, before calling someone an idiot, it would seem wise to reflect on who it is who has paid a Nigerian member of the Flat Earth Society for a firearm using PayPal, which is against their company policy.
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  3. 22-03-2018, 01:18 PM #78
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    But if the buyer hasn't received the item then it isn't actually a firearm. It isn't actually an anything because he never actually had it.

    We don't even know if it even existed in the first place (which it probably didn't since it appears to be a scam).

    The OP handed over funds for an item that wasn't supplied. If it wasn't supplied then what does it actually matter what it was?

    Just sayin'.
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  4. 22-03-2018, 01:31 PM #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by T 20 View Post
    Now, before calling someone an idiot, it would seem wise to reflect on who it is who has paid a Nigerian member of the Flat Earth Society for a firearm using PayPal, which is against their company policy.
    so your calling the 100s of members on here and free adds, who buy and sell airguns via paypal idiots
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJP View Post
    But if the buyer hasn't received the item then it isn't actually a firearm. It isn't actually an anything because he never actually had it.

    We don't even know if it even existed in the first place (which it probably didn't since it appears to be a scam).

    The OP handed over funds for an item that wasn't supplied. If it wasn't supplied then what does it actually matter what it was?

    Just sayin'.
    True, it only matters what the payment was for if PayPal look into the original intention of the payment, in which case they could wash their hands of it.


    In the meantime we'll just have to wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcham View Post
    so your calling the 100s of members on here and free adds, who buy and sell airguns via paypal idiots
    Nope, I'm saying don't call members on here idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T 20 View Post
    Nope, I'm saying don't call members on here idiots.
    im only defending myself after what he said, i only started the thread to warn overs of the seller, wish id never bothered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJP View Post
    But if the buyer hasn't received the item then it isn't actually a firearm. It isn't actually an anything because he never actually had it.

    We don't even know if it even existed in the first place (which it probably didn't since it appears to be a scam).

    The OP handed over funds for an item that wasn't supplied. If it wasn't supplied then what does it actually matter what it was?

    Just sayin'.

    An interesting line of reasoning DJP. Are you a lawyer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJP View Post
    But if the buyer hasn't received the item then it isn't actually a firearm. It isn't actually an anything because he never actually had it.

    We don't even know if it even existed in the first place (which it probably didn't since it appears to be a scam).

    The OP handed over funds for an item that wasn't supplied. If it wasn't supplied then what does it actually matter what it was?

    Just sayin'.
    But the item was advertised as a firearm and the intention was to buy a firearm so it does matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by T 20 View Post
    Cheers, bighit.
    Your Welcome Mick.

    It would appear that the scammer has possibly just looked for a name and number to carry out a scam and done a runner with the money

    The seller and the OP have broken PayPal's terms and conditions and its went pear shaped for the OP. PayPal are within their rights to wash their hands of it even if you go with DJP's reasoning as the intent was there .

    It might seem a small sum in peoples eyes for PayPal to pay back but this is possibly only one of billions of claims .

    Why do you think PayPal adds fees for paying for goods ? Insurance maybe Then people complain that they put the fees up and possibly all due to all the claims for goods that should not have been paid for via PayPal .


    I hope people learn from this but I doubt it
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  11. 22-03-2018, 06:02 PM #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turnup View Post
    An interesting line of reasoning DJP. Are you a lawyer?
    nah, he's not that bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by T 20 View Post
    True, it only matters what the payment was for if PayPal look into the original intention of the payment, in which case they could wash their hands of it.


    In the meantime we'll just have to wait and see.
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    An interesting line of reasoning DJP. Are you a lawyer?
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    But the item was advertised as a firearm and the intention was to buy a firearm so it does matter
    Yebbut, do PooPal's conditions apply to intentions or actual things?

    If the latter, and there is no tangible property (ie no actual firearm) then their conditions are irrelevant.

    I would suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shed tuner View Post
    nah, he's not that bad
    But then paedo estate agents aren't that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJP View Post
    Yebbut, do PooPal's conditions apply to intentions or actual things?

    If the latter, and there is no tangible property (ie no actual firearm) then their conditions are irrelevant.

    I would suggest.
    As far as Paypal is concerned the transaction is complete. Their duty was to send a monies for an advert for an item which goes against the terms of how their service is to be used (transferring money). It could be for thin air, doesn't matter its use of the service not the end result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobF View Post
    As far as Paypal is concerned the transaction is complete. Their duty was to send a monies for an advert for an item which goes against the terms of how their service is to be used (transferring money). It could be for thin air, doesn't matter its use of the service not the end result.
    Not so fast, Batman...

    "What is PayPal’s policy on transactions that involve firearms?

    We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition."

    So both sides of the transaction are contrary to their Ts & Cs.

    I would therefore suggest that they would have to cancel the entire transaction and return the money to the buyer to remain compliant with their own Ts & Cs.

    Just sayin'.
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