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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    not sure if you know http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/159...walking_stick/

    RETIRED gamekeeper Raymond Arthur Evans’ passion for historic guns landed him in hot water.

    The 70-year-old hoarder, who had more than 20 weapons in a locked bedroom at his home, faced the prospect of a minimum five-year statutory prison sentence after he admitted he had a gun disguised as a walking stick.

    Evans bought it legally in the 1960s but the law had changed and the Harper air cane was now a prohibited weapon.
    That was my point, but I was trying to be subtle!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    That was my point, but I was trying to be subtle!
    Exactly . others may try and make them and find out the hard way that its an unlicensed firearm and possibly lodging with big Bubba for 5 years

    Lets not forget that someone tried to get valuation on a Saxby Palmer in the last year and did not know they were banned

    In Nicks case he may be making it abroad and the restrictions might be different there .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    Exactly . others may try and make them and find out the hard way that its an unlicensed firearm and possibly lodging with big Bubba for 5 years

    Lets not forget that someone tried to get valuation on a Saxby Palmer in the last year and did not know they were banned

    In Nicks case he may be making it abroad and the restrictions might be different there .
    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    That was my point, but I was trying to be subtle!
    ....wow: all this info back in just 10 minutes. You Guys are better than Google!

    To clarify: I think ANY form of 'concealed' weapon puts anyone found in possession on dodgy ground. As an example, I described on a post maybe 2 years ago an umbrella that came into my possession early 80s that chambered a .45 quite comfortably. Both Dad and I traced the proof marks and inscription to Commander Elder Wills (see link below) who 'specialised' designing various covert explosives and devices for the resistance and SOE during WW2 (he was dragged in as a Colonel). The umbrella turned out to be a leaving presentation piece made by his team when he returned to film making after the war ...
    ...and much as I yearned to keep it, Dad just as emphatically insisted I shouldn't. So I sold the item to a collector who in turn eventually donated everything back to the 'Enfield Pattern Room'. Incidentally, does that still exist ?

    So: much as I admire anyone tinkering and inventing - and much as i love taking part in any similar discussions and 'what if' scenarios - the law is the law - so lets make sure we always take care to adhere and abide by it, and hopefully that means we all get to enjoy and continue with the sport and options we do have.

    for those who are interested:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Elder_Wills

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    ...the 'Enfield Pattern Room'. Incidentally, does that still exist ?]
    Yes!
    It's not open to the public but appointments can be made if you have a scholarly interest.


    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    ...much as I admire anyone tinkering and inventing - and much as i love taking part in any similar discussions and 'what if' scenarios - the law is the law - so lets make sure we always take care to adhere and abide by it, and hopefully that means we all get to enjoy and continue with the sport and options we do have.
    Agree 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    Yes!
    It's not open to the public but appointments can be made if you have a scholarly interest.
    I was just trying to look it up when your reply went 'ping'! Happy days.

    I visited twice with Dad, and he sadly passed away over 21 years ago so I must be getting old. Met the curator (what a job) who Dad had clearly known for some considerable time even then. The only 'Herb' I've ever encountered so far and unbelievably knowledgeable, though can't remember his full name. A truly extraordinary place.

    Actually.... I do have a scholarly reason for going there... and its in Leeds (if anyone wants to join the coach party).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    I was just trying to look it up when your reply went 'ping'! Happy days.

    I visited twice with Dad, and he sadly passed away over 21 years ago so I must be getting old. Met the curator (what a job) who Dad had clearly known for some considerable time even then. The only 'Herb' I've ever encountered so far and unbelievably knowledgeable, though can't remember his full name. A truly extraordinary place.

    Actually.... I do have a scholarly reason for going there... and its in Leeds (if anyone wants to join the coach party).

    Herbert Woodend (1943-2003). Not just the curator but basically the creator of the Pattern Room. By all accounts a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffool View Post
    the 'Enfield Pattern Room'. Incidentally, does that still exist ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyebull View Post
    Yes!
    It's not open to the public but appointments can be made if you have a scholarly interest.
    The Enfield Pattern Room no longer exists, since the deeply misguided destruction of Royal Small Arms Factory (RSAF) Enfield and its replacement by a new factory in Nottingham, 99% of whose employees had no experience in manufacturing firearms, let alone the nation's primary service weapon. Which explains, at least in part, why the SA80 Mk1 was such a crock of crock-content.

    Its contents are now part of the Royal Armouries Museum in Leeds and can indeed be accessed if you can persuade them that you are a scholarly academic researcher.

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