Who remembers the Brocock Fox ?

[tinbum]

Not a million miles from one of my projects at the moment - single shot .22 mini pistol running off an 8g caplet. Need to pick up an umarex 1911 (or similar) valve for it.

At some point I may also be making a multishot 2240 'stubby' in .25, for which I'll need to cannibalise my hatsan striker barrel and get it machined to fit a particular breech. If I get around to this any time soon you're welcome to a few inches of barrel.

Smashing! I can't see .22 being man enough for the job.

[Westy_Boy]

I need to figure an action for it, barrel retention, hammer, trigger etc. Using an existing donor is an option, I'm looking at my Crosman 2240, an old pile of bitsfrom one of those would work.

In the meantime, I need an inch or so of .25 barrel to finish this:
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I might have some old 2250 bits and pieces kicking around. I'll have a look in my box o'bits tomorrow.

[tinbum]

I might have some old 2250 bits and pieces kicking around. I'll have a look in my box o'bits tomorrow.

Awesome!

[bootneckbob]

I had a Brocock Fox and two Berretta 92Fs running on TACs. I think the 92Fs were 8.6mm; they would actually chamber a 9mm round and I have no idea if the gun would of exploded into pieces if the barrel were bored out and and I pulled the trigger, I'm not so stupid I needed or wanted to find out. I can see why they banned and I ended up destroying mine in my dads vice. I'd sold the Fox on well before the ban.

[MartynB]

Have to say there were some very interesting air cartridge based air guns, especially once the TAC cartridges were 'perfected'

I seem to recall seeing a M1 carbine, Winchester lever action and even someone who had built a six or eight barrel hand cranked gattling gun

Some ingenious people out there

[eyebull]

Smashing! I can't see .22 being man enough for the job.

Depending on which project gets finished first I may end up doing .25 instead, there should be plenty of .25 barrel left over.

[AC all day]

I have on ticket a Saxby Palmer mod52 barreled in .30 .Its great fun with Steve Harper .30 pellets (sqashed .25 Ramjets)....there have been other projects too, but i kept this one!

[tinbum]

I have on ticket a Saxby Palmer mod52 barreled in .30 .Its great fun with Steve Harper .30 pellets (sqashed .25 Ramjets)....there have been other projects too, but i kept this one!

Damn! That's nice. The 52 is one I would love to find on one of the european second hand sites.

[chieffool]

Hmmmm! It could be considered an 'air cane' at the moment!

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....That's not a bad idea at all. If I understand the pics posted up, maybe you could have a loading mechanism like the 'covert cane' (hope the link works) with a twist and pull back to reveal the end of the barrel for loading a pellet, and 'breech' to drop the single use air tank inline behind? I think that is still legal in the context that the 'Brocock' cartridge (which held the pellet) was originally banned, and clearly too long to be a pistol if you wanted to have something up to 12ft lbs, plus would be (legally) carried unloaded until made ready for use.

...though not quite sure what you could use it for.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_59GYpEVAu0...0/cane-gun.jpg

Anyway - sterling stuff Mr T. And would really like to know more on the 'Derringer' clone project.

[bighit]

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....That's not a bad idea at all. If I understand the pics posted up, maybe you could have a loading mechanism like the 'covert cane' (hope the link works) with a twist and pull back to reveal the end of the barrel for loading a pellet, and 'breech' to drop the single use air tank inline behind? I think that is still legal in the context that the 'Brocock' cartridge (which held the pellet) was originally banned, and clearly too long to be a pistol if you wanted to have something up to 12ft lbs, plus would be (legally) carried unloaded until made ready for use.

...though not quite sure what you could use it for.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_59GYpEVAu0...0/cane-gun.jpg

Anyway - sterling stuff Mr T. And would really like to know more on the 'Derringer' clone project.

not sure if you know http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/159...walking_stick/

RETIRED gamekeeper Raymond Arthur Evans’ passion for historic guns landed him in hot water.

The 70-year-old hoarder, who had more than 20 weapons in a locked bedroom at his home, faced the prospect of a minimum five-year statutory prison sentence after he admitted he had a gun disguised as a walking stick.

Evans bought it legally in the 1960s but the law had changed and the Harper air cane was now a prohibited weapon.


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...r-jail-9536612

He admitted possessing an air cartridge firearm in October last year, a walking cane air rifle, without the consent of The Secretary of State.

Not sure if you can get an FAC for one now as they may have been classed as the BAC brocock's and had to be licensed in 2004 .

[eyebull]

not sure if you know http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/159...walking_stick/

RETIRED gamekeeper Raymond Arthur Evans’ passion for historic guns landed him in hot water.

The 70-year-old hoarder, who had more than 20 weapons in a locked bedroom at his home, faced the prospect of a minimum five-year statutory prison sentence after he admitted he had a gun disguised as a walking stick.

Evans bought it legally in the 1960s but the law had changed and the Harper air cane was now a prohibited weapon.

That was my point, but I was trying to be subtle!

[bighit]

That was my point, but I was trying to be subtle!

Exactly . others may try and make them and find out the hard way that its an unlicensed firearm and possibly lodging with big Bubba for 5 years

Lets not forget that someone tried to get valuation on a Saxby Palmer in the last year and did not know they were banned

In Nicks case he may be making it abroad and the restrictions might be different there .

[Inspector 71]

I'm surprised the Fox was sanctioned by the HO.

[chieffool]

Exactly . others may try and make them and find out the hard way that its an unlicensed firearm and possibly lodging with big Bubba for 5 years

Lets not forget that someone tried to get valuation on a Saxby Palmer in the last year and did not know they were banned

In Nicks case he may be making it abroad and the restrictions might be different there .

That was my point, but I was trying to be subtle!

....wow: all this info back in just 10 minutes. You Guys are better than Google!

To clarify: I think ANY form of 'concealed' weapon puts anyone found in possession on dodgy ground. As an example, I described on a post maybe 2 years ago an umbrella that came into my possession early 80s that chambered a .45 quite comfortably. Both Dad and I traced the proof marks and inscription to Commander Elder Wills (see link below) who 'specialised' designing various covert explosives and devices for the resistance and SOE during WW2 (he was dragged in as a Colonel). The umbrella turned out to be a leaving presentation piece made by his team when he returned to film making after the war ...
...and much as I yearned to keep it, Dad just as emphatically insisted I shouldn't. So I sold the item to a collector who in turn eventually donated everything back to the 'Enfield Pattern Room'. Incidentally, does that still exist ?

So: much as I admire anyone tinkering and inventing - and much as i love taking part in any similar discussions and 'what if' scenarios - the law is the law - so lets make sure we always take care to adhere and abide by it, and hopefully that means we all get to enjoy and continue with the sport and options we do have.

for those who are interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Elder_Wills

[eyebull]

...the 'Enfield Pattern Room'. Incidentally, does that still exist ?]

Yes!
It's not open to the public but appointments can be made if you have a scholarly interest.

...much as I admire anyone tinkering and inventing - and much as i love taking part in any similar discussions and 'what if' scenarios - the law is the law - so lets make sure we always take care to adhere and abide by it, and hopefully that means we all get to enjoy and continue with the sport and options we do have.

Agree 100%