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    Quote Originally Posted by MartynB View Post
    I had the Saxby and Palmer Galaxy (or was it Ensign Elite ?), after some issues and it being returned, I went from using the plastic to ali cartridges. With careful pumping of the cartridge, I used Eley Waps in .22, mine was actually quite accurate

    I also had a fairly early Orion pistol (HW Orion ?) and again, with careful pumping I was surprised how accurate it was upto about 10 yards using hobby wadcutters

    All long since gone, I remember a .22lr type mag fed TAC rifle being talked then quietly dropped with ban looming

    I still four boxes of six TAC's I bought in .22 never used

    I have the 4" Specialist version of the Orion, and yes, it is a Weihrauch/Arminus revolver converted to TAC. Mine created quite a stir at the club, I don't think they'd seen anything quite like it before.

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    I had one all in the wooden box very quite and accurate ....breech cover was plastic as I remember

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    Always intrigued by the Fox. Loved the idea of it. Such a shame they disappeared.

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    The Brocock law change was such a crass piece of legislation, you can own the cartridges and pump but not the guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartynB View Post
    I had the Saxby and Palmer Galaxy (or was it Ensign Elite ?), after some issues and it being returned, I went from using the plastic to ali cartridges. With careful pumping of the cartridge, I used Eley Waps in .22, mine was actually quite accurate

    I also had a fairly early Orion pistol (HW Orion ?) and again, with careful pumping I was surprised how accurate it was upto about 10 yards using hobby wadcutters

    All long since gone, I remember a .22lr type mag fed TAC rifle being talked then quietly dropped with ban looming

    I still four boxes of six TAC's I bought in .22 never used

    there was the Safari and Predator rifles



    Barrel Length 17.7"(45.0cm) Calibre: .22(5.5mm) Cartridge: BAC .38/.22
    Muzzle Velocity: 598ft/s(182m/s) Trigger: 2 stage adj. Capacity: Single shot
    Overall Length: 38.0"(96.5cm) Weight: 5.7lb(2.6kg)
    Finish: Blued steel, Beech or Walnut stock (telescopic sight & moderator not included)


    Barrel Length 17.7"(45.0cm) Calibre: .22(5.5mm) Cartridge: BAC .38/.22
    Muzzle Velocity: 598ft/s(182m/s) Trigger: 2 stage adj. Capacity: 6 shot
    Overall Length: 38.0"(96.5cm) Weight: 6.5lb(3.1kg)
    Finish: Blued steel, Beech or Walnut stock (telescopic sight & moderator not included)



    Barrel Length 14.7"(37.5cm) Calibre: .22(5.5mm) Cartridge: BAC .38/.22
    Muzzle Velocity: 598ft/s(182m/s) Trigger: Folding fixed Capacity: Single shot
    Overall Length: 31.0"(79cm) Weight: 2.65lb(1.2kg)
    Finish: Blued steel, Steel stock (4x32 telescopic sight included)


    Also a PPK



    Model: Para PPK 380
    Barrel Length: 3" (7.6cm)
    Calibre: .22(5.5mm)
    Cartridge: BAC Micro .380/.22
    Muzzle Velocity: 300ft/s(98m/s)
    Trigger: Double Action
    Capacity: 7 shot
    Overall Length: 6.7"(17cm)
    Weight: 1.45lb(0.66kg)
    Finish: Nickel, Walnut, Blued, Walnut & Black Composite


    More rifles here http://www.topham.org.uk/brocock/ubertipistols.htm

    http://www.topham.org.uk/brocock/brocockpistols.htm
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    Were all the “foxes” meant to of been handed in at a loss to the owners?

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    Not just the fox rifles, all BAC and TAC rifles and pistols were subject to the same legislation. The owners had two options, either surrender for destruction (with no reimbursement) or put on a firearms ticket under the condition they are destroyed as soon as the firearms ticket is surrendered. So effectively they have no resale valve at all.

    I think some people either stripped and sold for spares or sold to people in other countries where the ban didn't apply, when the legislation was brought in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post

    Barrel Length 17.7"(45.0cm) Calibre: .22(5.5mm) Cartridge: BAC .38/.22
    Muzzle Velocity: 598ft/s(182m/s) Trigger: 2 stage adj. Capacity: 6 shot
    Overall Length: 38.0"(96.5cm) Weight: 6.5lb(3.1kg)
    Finish: Blued steel, Beech or Walnut stock (telescopic sight & moderator not included)
    Ah, that's the one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy_Boy View Post
    Not just the fox rifles, all BAC and TAC rifles and pistols were subject to the same legislation. The owners had two options, either surrender for destruction (with no reimbursement) or put on a firearms ticket under the condition they are destroyed as soon as the firearms ticket is surrendered. So effectively they have no resale valve at all.

    I think some people either stripped and sold for spares or sold to people in other countries where the ban didn't apply, when the legislation was brought in.
    70 to 80 thousand sold and only 6 thousand or so handed in or registered on FAC .

    There must be thousands abroad and some still here in lofts (not knowing they are banned or deliberately hidden) or in the hands of wannabe gangsters.

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    I thought the Fox was only in .25 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bighit View Post
    70 to 80 thousand sold and only 6 thousand or so handed in or registered on FAC .

    There must be thousands abroad and some still here in lofts (not knowing they are banned or deliberately hidden) or in the hands of wannabe gangsters.
    Yeah, bonkers. Another example of ill thought out, on a whim legislation that actually did nothing to address a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomboid View Post
    I thought the Fox was only in .25 ?
    Mine was .22 and obviously I handed it in.

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    If enough of the us who had a fox and want to see it back should keep at the manufactures about producing one with the relevant modifications if they it can be done and I bet not for a lot of money as there is valves and triggers and even very compact bottles for the power source already developed ---something with the valve type used in the gun-power range? a stock made from formed tube steel or high tensile alloy the same shape as the old fox stock -- and a hammer mechanism like the gun-power range but without the scope rail --a scope could be mounted the same way as the old fox used to be ----surly it will be a real winner??? and it will be a real shame if its not British made

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    Fox

    I had both .22 and an Original Steve Harper in .25ss with his brass liner.....in fact i had quite a collection of these bits.....hence my Handle AC all day. As with most things with a methodical aproach i have achieved extreamly good accuracy and consistancy with TACs and Airmunitions cartridges to the point i used to have an Orion 6 set up as a target pistol...

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    Following on this thread.....any one got any info/pics on this one off??

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