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    Webley Mark II Service breech treatment anomalies?

    I have recently come across a Webley Mark II Service rifle with a few anomalies at the breech portion of the barrel that I have not seen previously on any other Mark II rifles. The barrel is original to the gun, based on the matching serial numbers, and the gun is in fairly nice overall condition.

    The most obvious oddity is a small step in the barrel diameter, about 3/32” long, just ahead of the undercut for the breech nut. This is the first time I have seen this small step on a Mark II rifle barrel. How common (or uncommon) is this?
    Note as well that the intercepting sear has a radius at the rear. I know of only one other Mark II Service that has a similar intercepting sear. User modification, or aftermarket item with the maker's personal touch?



    The next anomaly is the treatment of the breech face on this gun.
    Picture “A” shows the usual treatment of the breech face, or at least the one that I am most accustomed to seeing. The breech face is undercut from the OD, and the ID, with a narrow ridge remaining to engage the sealing washer.



    Picture “B” shows what appears to be an anomaly, in that there is no undercut from the ID, but rather, a largish chamfer into the bore, with a fairly broad ridge to engage the sealing washer.
    Is it possible that this barrel missed a step in the machining process, and was overlooked by quality control inspection before being dispatched?


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    Hi Len,

    Does the barrel have the raised section where it fits in the cocking linkage ?

    I can't say I've noticed any with a step such as you've shown.

    I have a couple of Service barrels that are numbered to a gun, with the calibre marked in the correct location in what appears to be original typeface, that are apparently not original Webley barrels.

    I haven't looked closely at any interceptor sears, but will check and see if any of mine have a rounded trailing edge.

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    Hi David.

    Yes, the barrel does have the raised section at the cocking linkage.
    All other features appear correct except for those items noted in the OP.
    The barrel does appear (to me at least) to be original to the gun.

    Have you ever seen a breech face like that shown in Picture "B"?

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    Hi David,
    My WEBLEY number 4431 also has a small turned section of about 1/16” long, the diameter is not the same as the breech locking diameter, this could have being a false overcut when machining also mine has the radius end to the intercepting sear, breech face as in picture “A”.

    Dave.
    Last edited by DAVALI; 26-03-2018 at 07:22 AM. Reason: Added info

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    I have just checked eight 'Service' barrels, including the supposedly non genuine two, and the breeches are all as illustration 'A'.
    None of them have a step leading up to the breech.
    I've checked four 'Service' rifles and all interceptor sears have a square trailing edge, as per the original drawing.
    Below are the breech ends of three Service barrels, two of which are supposedly non Webley.

    Last edited by Troubledshooter; 26-03-2018 at 05:00 PM.

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    Thank you to David and Dave for your respective comments.

    It seems that we now know of three incidences of the intercepting sear with a radius on the rear section - the two that I have seen, and the one belonging to Dave.
    We also have a second barrel with the small undercut ahead of the breech nut groove.

    Anyone else care to weigh in?

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