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    Quote Originally Posted by Barryg View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean BBs have shorter TPs.
    That was more in reference to the finger friendly fixed barrels, rotating breech, taps etc
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    The sliding compression tube system has many good points.

    The direct to breech loading is certainly one of them.

    Ease of stripping is another good point, especially on the TX, LGU and 77/97. Not sure about the Dianas as I've not owned / stripped one.

    Very short transfer port (on 77/97) and central port on TX. And the TX one isn't excessively long.

    With the comp tube not being an integral part of the receiver of the gun, tuning and experimenting with different bores etc is also made easier. And wrecking a comp tube doesn't write the whole of the receiver off (applies to many out there who may not have the engineering skills or tackle to make good knackered cylinders).

    The only potential negatives are the finger mangling capabilities, which are a non-issue if safe handing is observed anyway and a slightly more fiddly loading operation compared to some systems. Both non-issues for me and I love 'em.

    As to which sealing system would be the better, don't really know, but never had an issue with my TX or my many 77s/97s.
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    Sliding breeches can crush digits, but break-barrels can smash teeth and noses. You pay your money and take your chances...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Sliding breeches can crush digits, but break-barrels can smash teeth and noses. You pay your money and take your chances...
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
    You'd be safe with the ultra long 35 export barrel as you'd smack the bloke next to you in the chops instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    You'd be safe with the ultra long 35 export barrel as you'd smack the bloke next to you in the chops instead

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    Cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Cool!

    They think of every eventuality at HW HQ!
    Just remember not to stand next to a 35 shooter at the next bash then.

    You have been warned

    Could be interesting if you get two 35 shooters next to each other, it could turn out like a Star Wars lightsaber fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
    Short and stumpy, preferrably a gas-sham. The lack of mechanical advantage means the extra effort allows one to be hit in the face, break the stock AND possibly get your fingers/web of the hand pinched or crushed in the breech when it 'kangaroos' the unfortunate shooter. The scope should be destroyed when the brute hits the ground scope-down in accordance with Murphy's Law.

    A HW35 Export with its nice long lever is perfectly controllable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
    Hw35 barrel would smack you on the back of the head as it bends right round

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    Didn't Hitler's people dream one up like that that could shoot round corners?

    Well, for a few shots anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Didn't Hitler's people dream one up like that that could shoot round corners?

    Well, for a few shots anyway!
    Yes




    Krummlauf Curved Barrel on an StG-44

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Didn't Hitler's people dream one up like that that could shoot round corners?

    Well, for a few shots anyway!
    The Krummlauf. Or, more correctly, the Vorsatz J (or I) and Vorstaz Pz. Originally a way (Pz = Panzer, 90 degree bend) of letting tank crews engage infantry without sticking their heads above the open hatch. Also developed (I or J, 30 degree bend) for infantry in trench or urban warfare.

    Not sure it ever saw service. Never replicated by any other army. Which tells you something about its utility, 72 years later.

    Back on topic. Tap-loader, anyone? Surely it's not just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    The sliding compassion tube system has many good points.
    Is it particularly sympathetic to bad handling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry D View Post
    Is it particularly sympathetic to bad handling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry D View Post
    Is it particularly sympathetic to bad handling?
    Oops! Thank you for pointing that out, good sir.

    Bloody iPads!

    Hope you're keeping well MrD.

    How's the testing going on that new mystery gun?
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