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Thread: Fixed barrel springers, will there ever be a better setup than the sliding breech

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    Sliding breeches can crush digits, but break-barrels can smash teeth and noses. You pay your money and take your chances...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Sliding breeches can crush digits, but break-barrels can smash teeth and noses. You pay your money and take your chances...
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
    You'd be safe with the ultra long 35 export barrel as you'd smack the bloke next to you in the chops instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    You'd be safe with the ultra long 35 export barrel as you'd smack the bloke next to you in the chops instead

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    Cool!

    They think of every eventuality at HW HQ!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Cool!

    They think of every eventuality at HW HQ!
    Just remember not to stand next to a 35 shooter at the next bash then.

    You have been warned

    Could be interesting if you get two 35 shooters next to each other, it could turn out like a Star Wars lightsaber fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    Just remember not to stand next to a 35 shooter at the next bash then.

    You have been warned

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    Hee hee hee!

    That might be bit tricky though, Pete. Everyone at The Bash loves a 35!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    The sliding compassion tube system has many good points.
    Is it particularly sympathetic to bad handling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry D View Post
    Is it particularly sympathetic to bad handling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry D View Post
    Is it particularly sympathetic to bad handling?
    Oops! Thank you for pointing that out, good sir.

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    Hope you're keeping well MrD.

    How's the testing going on that new mystery gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Hee hee hee!

    That might be bit tricky though, Pete. Everyone at The Bash loves a 35!
    I'd better not go to any bashes then as I may upset everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    I'd better not go to any bashes then as I may upset everyone

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    Fret not Pete! The majority of right thinking folk see the HW Uglistik for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Hope you're keeping well MrD.

    How's the testing going on that new mystery gun?
    What the new Air Arms

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    I wonder what type of barrel on a break barrel would gnash teeth and noses better? Short and stumpy with a large diameter shroud / silencer or a long, slim item like the 35 Export?
    Short and stumpy, preferrably a gas-sham. The lack of mechanical advantage means the extra effort allows one to be hit in the face, break the stock AND possibly get your fingers/web of the hand pinched or crushed in the breech when it 'kangaroos' the unfortunate shooter. The scope should be destroyed when the brute hits the ground scope-down in accordance with Murphy's Law.

    A HW35 Export with its nice long lever is perfectly controllable.

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    Obviously, the sliding compression tube is best. Decades of match wins by the FWB 65, 80, 300 and HW77 and AA TX show that.

    I do like the BSA RB design. I don't think they executed it well. I'd prefer a catch that was less likely to foul a long scope, and auto-opening.

    And there's a lot to be said for the taploader.

    Yes, there's an unswept volume issue. They will never top the efficiency chart.

    Yes, many of us have experienced alignment and other QC issues on things like 1970s Airsporters.

    But a good tap-loader, like a BSA LJ pattern, Mk1-2 Airsporter, Webley MkIII, pre-late 60s Diana 50, properly lapped and aligned by hand at the factory, is still a great thing, easy to use (esp with auto-opening), pretty accurate, and very, very, safe.

    Sure, no tap-loader will win the FT World Champs, but for general use, a good (good) tap-loader remains a perfectly decent rifle.

    The same might apply to pop-ups. But I have never owned one (unless the Gamo Spring pistol rotary breech/tap counts), and just don't like them, for entirely irrational reasons.

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    PS - I note with amusement and approval that no-one has suggested that the Sterling/Park bolt action is a great u/l design.

    Because it isn't. Though the Park version has some attractions and merit. The Sterling is like an airgun SA80. Interesting idea, badly executed.

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