Archery Club

[angrybear]

My point with this, is as a responsible pest controller, I'm expected to obey the law, and keep my pellets within my permission, I don't think that the insurance company I'm with, would be happy to honour any claim made against me, if I do it wrong, and I don't think the police would pat me on the head and say naughty boy, don't do it again either. Or am I being naive, rules for one! Rog

You obviously missed the point so I'll use a more well known & obvious version.

Car insurance companies tell you to never accept or admit blame for an accident, OK ? well the same is true for shooting insurance & the club sec is simply doing their job.

Your insurance would be considerably less happy if any claimant produced a letter from you admitting that whatever had happened was entirely your responsibility and you would be extremely unhappy if due to the wording they were able to avoid paying & put the burden on to you.

[Rog5]

Point not missed, but I haven't explained myself properly, after the arrow arrived in my permission, a woman from the archery club turned up to collect it, seemingly oblivious of the legalitys of the situation a bit like the kid next door asking for his ball back, again, I'm sure if they could have located the arrow, and not been seen by anyone they would have, but unfortunately, they weren't that lucky, and that's probably the reason for my email being replied to, hope that explains it better. Rog

[JerryD]

As an ex-archer and coach (knackered wrists/shoulder) I have witnessed some amazing fliers when an arrow clips the edge of a boss; 45degrees outwards and upwards. Similarly seeing arrows that have overshot the boss clip a stone and skip upwards for a lot more yards than expected. However, the fliers did not have enough energy to stick in the ground and were invariably found lying on the grass/ground.

I am not condoning the stray shot - stray arrows should be retreived, and at up to £30 a pop, who wouldn't - just saying that the expectation is the straight line shot to target is expected to have suitable measures of containment/control, but there can still be circumstances where an arrow can go in an unusual direction usually with very little remaining energy. I have helped look for arrows and then found them several days later in very unexpected locations, but never sticking in anything.

A direct, aimed shot that left the range should have been dealt immediately with by whoever was controlling shooting at the time. That is inexcusable.


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[Rog5]

Hi Jerry, you will know what I mean, turns out they were clout shooting, I've done this myself, and the arrows come down point first, would have done a lot of damage to whoever or whatever it hit.Rog

[JerryD]

Hi Jerry, you will know what I mean, turns out they were clout shooting, I've done this myself, and the arrows come down point first, would have done a lot of damage to whoever or whatever it hit.Rog

Clout is at 200yds, with at least 100yds overshoot. More if recurve, and compound used to be banned - they can shoot accurately to 300yds, low trajectory! I don't know many 300yd long r/f ranges....daft practice on a normal 100yd r/f range, imo.




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[Hawkeye20]

the best thing you can do is get good life insurance as things do wrong in any sport that cant be helped, i have seen lots of things go wrong with the most experienced archers (ex comp archer myself) but the club in Question should have rules and procedures to try and prevent this from happening, but like i said sometimes it just simply cant be helped and usually they are the most deadly times

[angrybear]

Point not missed, but I haven't explained myself properly, after the arrow arrived in my permission, a woman from the archery club turned up to collect it, seemingly oblivious of the legalitys of the situation a bit like the kid next door asking for his ball back, again, I'm sure if they could have located the arrow, and not been seen by anyone they would have, but unfortunately, they weren't that lucky, and that's probably the reason for my email being replied to, hope that explains it better. Rog

Can I ask what it is you're expecting ?

As I said above the club are not going to accept blame/fault in case it comes back to bite them, I would have expected the individual to apologise when they came looking because that's good manners.

Also try as I might I cannot find anything that actually says it's illegal Airgun pellets are a specific offence but I know it doesn't apply to shotgun pellets for example but I can't find any reference to arrows.

Plus if the field where it landed is owned by the same person as the range then while it might have left the range area it hasn't actually left the "property" in which case the only person you could complain to would be the land owner who may or may not care (they might even be one of the archers)

[Hawkeye20]

Can I ask what it is you're expecting ?

As I said above the club are not going to accept blame/fault in case it comes back to bite them, I would have expected the individual to apologise when they came looking because that's good manners.

Also try as I might I cannot find anything that actually says it's illegal Airgun pellets are a specific offence but I know it doesn't apply to shotgun pellets for example but I can't find any reference to arrows.

Plus if the field where it landed is owned by the same person as the range then while it might have left the range area it hasn't actually left the "property" in which case the only person you could complain to would be the land owner who may or may not care (they might even be one of the archers)

its not illegal by British law if an arrow lands next to when there is an archery club next door to your permission! it is illegal if it was intended to hit you and it is also illegal to hunt in the uk with arrows or bolts. angrybear has a very good point in asking what your expecting out of this

[Rog5]

Am not really sure, so what would be the outcome if a horse, or the tenant or her children were to be accidentally injured, would that just be hard luck, are we just waiting for an accident to happen before something could be done about it, I have sent an email to The Bowmen of Harrow to try and shed some light on this, the only thing I have found says, no arrow should leave your land, and your activity should not cause any distress to neighbors or passing public, I await email from the B of H. Rog

[angrybear]

Am not really sure, so what would be the outcome if a horse, or the tenant or her children were to be accidentally injured, would that just be hard luck, are we just waiting for an accident to happen before something could be done about it, I have sent an email to The Bowmen of Harrow to try and shed some light on this, the only thing I have found says, no arrow should leave your land, and your activity should not cause any distress to neighbors or passing public, I await email from the B of H. Rog

Well that's more than I found, but I'll ask again is that a legal document making it UK law, or is it just a safety rule from Archery GB or some other sporting body ?

Don't get me wrong in playing devils advocate, I'd be 'kin livid if I was the neighbour, but you need to know what it is you expect from your complaint and also more importantly you need to know that you are correct.

In the OP you said "as far as you're concerned it's illegal", but is it ? if you stated that in your email & the club Sec knows that actually it isn't "illegal" because it's not covered by law, then you're on a hiding to nothing,

As for the outcome if someone or something were hit, that would possibly be criminal negligence maybe even assault with a deadly weapon, or criminal damage in the case of livestock.

[Rog5]

Sorry to bore everyone with this, but I have an inquisitive mind, and I would like to think that as I lay in the horse shit with an arrow sticking out of me, that at least I now know the legalitys. Rog