Airgun petition

[negotiator]

Think this needs to be signed guys

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211656

[nitemax]

All these petitions, are they a waste of time ?
Along with social media I wonder if they help to 'water down' the real feelings of the people involved ?
Typically someone has a legitimate reason to be concerned about something and it then gets debated on social media, everyone has different views about the issue and eventually a petition is created. Everyone involved feels better because they have 'done something' but it seems the something they have done has lost momentum and will follow the well trodden path to failure especially created by the powers that be to deal with public 'issues'

[madcarlos]

Think this needs to be signed guys

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211656

Waiting or email link to Finnish,

All done now.

[madcarlos]

All these petitions, are they a waste of time ?
Along with social media I wonder if they help to 'water down' the real feelings of the people involved ?
Typically someone has a legitimate reason to be concerned about something and it then gets debated on social media, everyone has different views about the issue and eventually a petition is created. Everyone involved feels better because they have 'done something' but it seems the something they have done has lost momentum and will follow the well trodden path to failure especially created by the powers that be to deal with public 'issues'

Don't think it matters but it's worth trying,

[angrybear]

Surely this is the same petition as there were multiple threads about back in Feb/Mar

[look no hands]

Surely this is the same petition as there were multiple threads about back in Feb/Mar

I was just about to say that, wasn't the outcome that the police don't have the time, manpower or resources to implement anything like this?

Pete

[Turnup]

As I pointed out on the earlier threads, there are currently NO such proposals so there is nothing for the petition to drop. Any outcome from this petition can therefore have no effect at present and will not be considered should any future such proposals be raised. Very dangerous to put up such a simplistic and flawed petition - remember that politicians can interpret the underlying meaning to suit just about any agenda (e.g. the Brexit vote). Complete waste of everyone's time and yes it can do harm in three ways:

1) By making us look like fools if we support what is in fact a null proposition

2) By diluting the effect of any future petitions because of "petition burn" (both on petitioners and on those petitioned)

3) By sending the message that only a small number of people can be arsed.

Folly.

[danco1987]

I was just about to say that, wasn't the outcome that the police don't have the time, manpower or resources to implement anything like this?

Pete

I wish it was but I haven't heard any regarding the outcome of the review

[Aimstraight]

As I pointed out on the earlier threads, there are currently NO such proposals so there is nothing for the petition to drop. Any outcome from this petition can therefore have no effect at present and will not be considered should any future such proposals be raised. Very dangerous to put up such a simplistic and flawed petition - remember that politicians can interpret the underlying meaning to suit just about any agenda (e.g. the Brexit vote). Complete waste of everyone's time and yes it can do harm in three ways:

1) By making us look like fools if we support what is in fact a null proposition

2) By diluting the effect of any future petitions because of "petition burn" (both on petitioners and on those petitioned)

3) By sending the message that only a small number of people can be arsed.

Folly.

As indicated by the relatively low number of signatures.

[lensman57]

I was just about to say that, wasn't the outcome that the police don't have the time, manpower or resources to implement anything like this?

Pete

If you read the report of the conference that BASC had organised ( it was published in one of airgun related magazines ) you will see that the good people representing our beloved cats are still pushing for a full licensing scheme. The Police representatives have said that at this moment in time they do not have the resources to tackle a licensing scheme but this does not mean that they are either for or against it. This way they have left the door open.

A.G

[danco1987]

If you read the report of the conference that BASC had organised ( it was published in one of airgun related magazines ) you will see that the good people representing our beloved cats are still pushing for a full licensing scheme. The Police representatives have said that at this moment in time they do not have the resources to tackle a licensing scheme but this does not mean that they are either for or against it. This way they have left the door open.

A.G

This isn't the end of the review process with the Home Office undertook though. This might mean they will not pursue a licencing scheme due to the police representatives response but there's still the issue of airgun security and storage changes which were heavily hinted at. I assume we'll be waiting a while for an offical HO statement on the outcome of the review though as the government has far more important issues to deal with at this moment in time.

[lensman57]

This isn't the end of the review process with the Home Office undertook though. This might mean they will not pursue a licencing scheme due to the police representatives response but there's still the issue of airgun security and storage changes which were heavily hinted at. I assume we'll be waiting a while for an offical HO statement on the outcome of the review though as the government has far more important issues to deal with at this moment in time.

Yes I agree that at the moment they have far more important issues on their hands but do not forget that this is a weak government getting weaker by the day. A couple of the usual inaccurate and sensationalist articles in the usual papers and the usual government knee jerk reaction will follow. If BASC is on the case as discussed it means that the issue is alive and serious.

A.G

[peddy]

Surely this is the same petition as there were multiple threads about back in Feb/Mar

Yes it's the same one

[Rob Edge]

Que sera sera

[bossmugler]

I thought it was the same one that I had already signed as well.