Dive Bottle Test - Short & Curly's?

[svendogg]

I'm no expert, but surely they could give you the bottle back empty? Otherwise it sounds like whatever place you take the bottle to have authority to say/do/charge whatever they want, surely can't be right?

[cjsid]

Tbh I don't understand why they can't hand it back as it is empty and can't legally be filled , just tell them you want to take it for a second opinion , or get them to show you and explain the problem

[rhyslightnin]

If they can't give it back to you then get them to send it to the other place for second opinion!! I'm just going to look on the Google to see what I can find about the law surrounding tank testing..

[rhyslightnin]

Firstly:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...mOdGcACk8smCNQ

This only mentions it being filled.. no requirement for it to be withheld...

[rancidtom]

https://www.sita.org.uk/idest/downloads.php
https://www.sita.org.uk/idest/uploads/P011.pdf

[rabbitslayer]

Firstly:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...mOdGcACk8smCNQ

This only mentions it being filled.. no requirement for it to be withheld...

I'm going to call them again and ask them to point me in the direction of a confirmed source of information that states they are within their rights to withhold the bottle.

[rhyslightnin]

I'm going to call them again and ask them to point me in the direction of a confirmed source of information that states they are within their rights to withhold the bottle.

I'd also politely inform them that even though it may be there policy they could be breaking the law by damaging property that doesn't belong to them.
The other thing that is reliant here is if you have signed a piece of paper waiving your rights or giving them permission to withhold the bottle under there policy?

[rabbitslayer]

The other thing that is reliant here is if you have signed a piece of paper waiving your rights or giving them permission to withhold the bottle under there policy?

Now then... I did sign a document to which they added details of what work was to performed i.e test etc. It could well be that it included some disclaimer to that effect.. Damn! I should have asked for a copy.

Off to work now so will have to call them tomorrow.

[rhyslightnin]

Now then... I did sign a document to which they added details of what work was to performed i.e test etc. It could well be that it included some disclaimer to that effect.. Damn! I should have asked for a copy.

Off to work now so will have to call them tomorrow.

Ok.. a shame if it does contain a disclaimer but if it does you should still be able to get an independent 2nd opinion. This means you should be able to get them to send it to another tester of your choice to check it out. Take a look at the complaints information that rancid Tom has posted... I reckon if you contact there governing body and ask for some advice, then wave the forms above at the bottle testing company, they would be hard pushed to refuse it being sent somewhere else
They "appear" to be throwing the book at you so throw the library back at them!!

[rabbitslayer]

Tbh I don't understand why they can't hand it back as it is empty and can't legally be filled , just tell them you want to take it for a second opinion , or get them to show you and explain the problem

That was my view but they said that it wouldn't stop someone with a home compressor filling it.

[rhyslightnin]

That was my view but they said that it wouldn't stop someone with a home compressor filling it.

That then is no longer there responsibility... If they condemn the bottle, stamp it with xxx's then it shouldn't matter. The bottle regulations says that it covers use of hp air at "work" not at home. Your involvement with the at "work" bit is when you take it to be filled at there "work". Looks like Rancidtom has the info for complaints & appeals against them. I've had a speedy look through the net & the only reference to this I can find is on a testers site where they state (in my own words) "we will destroy failed bottles to co.ply with HSE regulations" now I can't find any HSE regulations that state anything other than the workplace should have all bottles tested, and that it's the responsibility of the people in the business to do this. Not "all bottles need to be destroyed".
It's interesting how legislation can be interpreted, yes destroying the bottle satisfies HSE requirement but it's not the businesses responsibility to police the public. All they need to do is make sure it is clear that it has failed and return the bottle empty with the valve out as then you are responsible for putting it back in should you choose to.
Hope this helps

[rabbitslayer]

Tbh I don't understand why they can't hand it back as it is empty and can't legally be filled , just tell them you want to take it for a second opinion , or get them to show you and explain the problem

I've just contacted the other local test centre hoping to find out if they withhold bottles if they fail but unfortunately, the guy's gone in for a heart bypass and so won't be open for business until August.

[rhyslightnin]

I've just contacted the other local test centre hoping to find out if they withhold bottles if they fail but unfortunately, the guy's gone in for a heart bypass and so won't be open for business until August.

Try calling any other one on the net... If another business can give you back the bottle then it means it's not law...