scamma on guntrader

[secretagentmole]

'Opinions' on this subject are ten a penny. Companies can and do restrict the uses to which their service may be used and that can most definitely cover 'legal' matters with certain important exceptions such as racism, sexism etc.
Not wanting to stray too far on this, paypal as a business intrigues me. It is true that its terms and conditions exclude shooting related matters- as does its former owner the auction site that dare not speak its name. And yet shooting related items are freely offered on there for auction and buy it now. In addition paypal is an approved (almost a 'compulsory' certainly a 'default') method of payment for these items. Also paypal is used regularly by businesses that are quite clearly shooting related and who make no effort at all to disguise the true nature of their trade. Are they completely mad??
I'm genuinely confused here. Does anyone on here have PERSONAL experience of account closure? By personal I mean to THEM not to a mate or as a result of a story. I'd really like to know.

Ours was frozen for a few weeks when we bought an air rifle and put it in the description line....

[harvey_s]

Can't see how Paypal have leg to stand on to refuse to pay compensation when they offer themselves as a payment option to sellers on Freeads....

[nikonman]

It isn't always the case that if you express a dislike for accepting PayPal as a payment option, that you are a 'scammer'.

I've had an e**y account for over 14 years now and always refused offering PayPal as an option for buyers until e**y made it a condition if you wanted to continue to sell anything. Even now, I refuse to have PayPal linked to my bank account, so if I sell anything on e**y and the buyer pays with PayPal, I'm limited to those funds 'resting' in my PayPal account. Doesn't bother me that much for smaller amounts as I'll just utilise them for e**y purchases, but for anything over £50 or so that isn't an e**y transaction, I'll always ask that the buyer pays me either via bank transfer or cash-on-collection. It's nothing to do with trying to con anyone or deprive them of their rights.

Mind you, in PayPal's defence, I've never had a problem with them and they've always been quick to refund anything that's gone awry.

[TenMetrePeter]

If there's no compo you may as well use PayPal friends and family then there is no charge
I have bought airgun related parts on friends and family from well known RFD by PM.

NB this guy didnt express a preference not to use Paypal he said "my Paypal is broken please use funds transfer." which is classic scam language.

[angrybear]

Can't see how Paypal have leg to stand on to refuse to pay compensation when they offer themselves as a payment option to sellers on Freeads....

Then frankly you must be a bit dim they offer the service to the site not personally to each individual transaction

ANY private company can set any legal terms they wish, it is the users responsibility to ensure that they comply with those terms, and if the user breaches those terms tough !
same as you can refuse to accept a particular method of payment if you wish to, or if selling something you can chose who you sell to.

It's called freedom of choice and if you chose to use it, then by doing so, you agree to abide by their terms.

[SuffolkRifle]

In my case, I don't have a Pay Pal account, so if I buy or sell anything, it's either going to be bank transfer, cash on collection, or an old fashioned cheque - does this make me a scammer?

[barrel]

In my case, I don't have a Pay Pal account, so if I buy or sell anything, it's either going to be bank transfer, cash on collection, or an old fashioned cheque - does this make me a scammer?

Exactly the point I made earlier mate.

Kindest regards

Barrel

[bcham]

Exactly the point I made earlier mate.

Kindest regards

Barrel

we were live messaging when i mentioned.paypal. when he said sold else where.two seconds later, and ha ha ha. i said you fing scammer. he said lol. so you think he was legit omg.

[harvey_s]

Then frankly you must be a bit dim they offer the service to the site not personally to each individual transaction

ANY private company can set any legal terms they wish, it is the users responsibility to ensure that they comply with those terms, and if the user breaches those terms tough !
same as you can refuse to accept a particular method of payment if you wish to, or if selling something you can chose who you sell to.

It's called freedom of choice and if you chose to use it, then by doing so, you agree to abide by their terms.

Why be insulting to put your point across? Does it help?

I think it's not so clear cut for companies to weasel out of headline commitments about protecting you AFTER taking your money and then hiding behind buried terms and conditions.

Recent court-rulings would seem to back this up and some people's claims on here about PayPal paying out might support that PayPal themselves aren't 100% sure of their ground either.

I think if I was left considerably out of pocket I'd be very much testing the water here.

[angrybear]

Why be insulting to put your point across? Does it help?

I think it's not so clear cut for companies to weasel out of headline commitments about protecting you AFTER taking your money and then hiding behind buried terms and conditions.

Recent court-rulings would seem to back this up and some people's claims on here about PayPal paying out might support that PayPal themselves aren't 100% sure of their ground either.

I think if I was left considerably out of pocket I'd be very much testing the water here.

Because the point has been made politely & still seemingly you refuse to accept it

PP publish their terms,
part of signing up for an account is to tick a box that you have read, understood & agree to those terms,

Yet you seem to think that someone who breaks those terms should be able to do so without repercussion, but the firm is "weaselling out" if they enforce them

There are two definitions of stupid;
One is to repeat identical actions & expect a different outcome, the other is to break rules & expect no comeback.

[harvey_s]

Because the point has been made politely & still seemingly you refuse to accept it

PP publish their terms,
part of signing up for an account is to tick a box that you have read, understood & agree to those terms,

Yet you seem to think that someone who breaks those terms should be able to do so without repercussion, but the firm is "weaselling out" if they enforce them

There are two definitions of stupid;
One is to repeat identical actions & expect a different outcome, the other is to break rules & expect no comeback.

Thankfully the law, doesn't have the same stick up it's ass that you have...

Terms and conditions have to be 'reasonable' and so try and pretend you're a new customer...have a look at paypal's site and try to see what they will and won't cover before you sign up.
I can't see any exclusions...and that would be your due diligence.
Therefore you might conclude that paypal does offer you the safety they are selling.
Burying the information in some hidden page after you've signed up is not reasonable and would form the basis of the claim.

Stupid is also not thinking for yourself and repeatng everyone else's mistakes

[angrybear]

Thankfully the law, doesn't have the same stick up it's ass that you have...

Terms and conditions have to be 'reasonable' and so try and pretend you're a new customer...have a look at paypal's site and try to see what they will and won't cover before you sign up.
I can't see any exclusions...and that would be your due diligence.
Therefore you might conclude that paypal does offer you the safety they are selling.
Burying the information in some hidden page after you've signed up is not reasonable and would form the basis of the claim.

Stupid is also not thinking for yourself and repeatng everyone else's mistakes

Well luckily for me I have both the experience & the common sense to know that "guns" are not everyday items in the eyes of both business & the general public,
so whenever dealing with them I make the point to specifically ensure they don't fall foul of "small print".

Abiding by PP payment rules is no different to abiding by Royal Mail/Parcelforce shipping rules, It's the people caught flouting those rules who cause the rest of us problems.

But at least your last line is correct