Results : Muscle Power League 2018, Autumn/Winter Series

[PhatMan]

Hello to All,

Scores updated Sunday, 20181209.

Ms. Sunbeam has now shot all her cards for Supported Pistol as well

Ms. Sunbeam & Sunbeam definitely win the fastest card shooting ever seen in the MPL

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

[zooma]

Hello to All,

Scores updated Sunday, 20181209.

Ms. Sunbeam has now shot all her cards for Supported Pistol as well

Ms. Sunbeam & Sunbeam definitely win the fastest card shooting ever seen in the MPL

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

Not only that Russ - Sunbeam has also just sent in a late entry for the Supported Air Rifle Competition too!

Its great to know that Rob is enjoying the MPL competition - and we are pleased to have his support.

Bob.

[PhatMan]

Hello to All,

Scores updated Sunday, 20181216.

I think Sunbeam must have shredded wheat for breakfast, as he has now finished the Supported Rifle cards (with a most excellent score) !!

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

[zooma]

I have just completed all of my MPL rifle and SAR targets for this current MPL season.

I used my faithful FWB red alloy P70 for the Supported Air Rifle competition and it performed flawlessly (as usual) and was even able to help this old pensioner knock up a good score to finish the season with.

To be honest when I have used my blue/green/red laminated P70 in the same competition it has been every bit as good - these P70 rifles have the perfect ergonomics for SAR shooting and have impressed everyone who has shot them at the club.

After I finished shooting my MPL rifle targets I decided to give my HW 99S a trial on the Supported Air Rifle stand just to see how a kicker would work when balanced on the hard 50mm diameter bar - and I was pleasantly surprised.

As long as the rifle fore stock was not actually "held" firmly but allowed to 'float" after the trigger was released it really worked surprisingly well!. The two best achieved scores were a 46 and a 47 - not at all bad in a discipline that we all regard as being the exclusive domain of the recoilless match rifle!.

Naturally I had a fair few disappointments too - especially as I was working-out the best way to hold the supported "kicker" (or "not" to hold it as it turned-out!) but after some practice this little springer really began to earn itself some serious respect from me and made me think that including "kickers" in this supported shooting competition could be a realistic possibility.

If we get enough interest it would be really good to include the spring powered "kickers" in this SAR class - and if they had a points premium (per card) added to their scores they could compete well against their more expensive recoilless rivals making this new shooting class even more interesting!

[PhatMan]

Hello to All,

Scores updated Sunday 20181223.

And a tie in the SARS category !

Bob - I think you have something there with the kickers & SARS

I think that if the contact point is chosen correctly, then there will be consistency of the impact point (which may or may not match that from the shoulder).

It would certainly reward good and consistent holding.

I would be very interested in seeing how a kicker pistol - say a Diana/Original Model 5 - would fare in SAPS ?

Have fun & a good Sunday

Best regards

Russ

[zooma]

Hi Russ,

We could offer the SARS kicker option with a "points per card" premium when we draw-up the entry for the next MPL competition and see how many actually enter. We could deduct the premium from the recoilless scores or add it to the "kicker" scores.

The effect would be the same whichever way we apply the premium. The "kicker" shooter would be able to see what they had to score to match the recoilless rivals.

My guess would be that using a recoiling (kicker) rifle in the SARS competition would give a greater diversity of scores as it is bound to be harder to be as consistent, but that could just add to the fun, and it would encourage the use of less expensive air rifles again - and that was one of the primary aims of the MPL competition when we first started!

The score "premium" would have to be "worked-out" between kickers and recoilless air rifles, but it could work as follows ( assuming we agreed to deduct the premium from the recoilless scores):-

-3 would give a 300 ex 300 shot with a recoilless an "adjusted" score of 282. (6 x3 = 18 points deducted) needing 47 per target shot by a "kicker" to give the same score.

-4 would give a 300 ex 300 shot with a recoilless an "adjusted" score of 276. (6 x 4 = 24 points deducted) needing 46 per target shot by a "kicker" to give the same score.

-5 would give a 300 ex 300 shot with a recoilless an "adjusted" score of 270. ( 6x 5 = 30 points deducted) needing 45 per target shot by a "kicker" to give the same score.

My opinion is that it would be just as difficult to score 45 points per card with a kicker than it would be to score a "possible" 50 with a recoilless when shot from the hard 50mm bar.

Hopefully other's will give this a try and see what they come up with, but as long as we agree what premium is needed to make a working adjustment before the first targets of the new season are scored we have plenty of time to work out a value that brings the two score closer together.

The other option is not to bother - just carry on as now but with a different class for the "kickers" and the recoilless.

Personally I would like to see the two combined as it would be good fun for the "kickers" to chase the recoilless shooters to see how close they can get. It would also be interesting to see what recoiling rifles are the most successful when shot from a hard bar rest.

CAPPED SCORES. We could also consider putting a CAP on the "kicker" scores so that it would not be possible to score more than a 50 ex 50 if we should get a remarkably talented Kicker shooter with an exceptionally good recoiling rifle. - or just a freak good score !

Plenty to discuss and think about - please let me have your thoughts......

[MrChipShoulder]

People don't seem to want the MPL to change or evolve, so I'd be inclined to leave it as it is.
Plus I've just spent a 'kings ransom' for an SSP !

[MrChipShoulder]

Plenty to discuss and think about - please let me have your thoughts......

Hi,

Obviously I was coming from a point of view of total ignorance in regards to the MPL's history having only shot in it for the last few weeks. You did ask for peoples thoughts and I was responding based on the comments made to me by others about the MPL in the last few days. With the best will in the world, I can't go trawling through years worth of BBS threads before I make a comment. But I now have a very clear understanding that the MPL has a rich history and has tried many things over time.

I am sorry if I have offended anybody, that was not my intention. I'm just an enthusiastic beginner looking for more options.

Thanks,
Rob.