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Thread: Why is the sales section on here so disappointing at present?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robs5230 View Post
    The economic climate must be having an impact.
    I for one have seen my real income spiralling and costs going the other way, meaning in real terms I just have less to spend on luxuries.

    Social media is also playing its part. No longer are the forums "the only place" to sell.

    I buy and sell on here and do post rifles and have had no issues ever, buying or selling. Some folks fear of posting by pf48 does seem a little irrational to me though I guess some may have had bad experiences. Folk offering collection only face to face deals must recognise they are limiting their market on what is a national forum.

    Another aspect for me is folk advertising rifles as a full kit. I'm generally just wanting the rifle as I've acquired enough accessories over the years to serve me.

    Years ago the expected value of a secondhand item used to be about 50% of the new price. At some point I must have blinked and the expected value of secondhand goods jumped to 2/3 of the new price.

    Things are just how they are. I'm still happy using the forum to buy and sell but I do pick my deals and do use other sales and buying options.
    2/3rds of new price is totally correct, and be grateful it's only 2/3rds!
    In my professional world of scale 16mm live steam model railways, the locos are now 95% of new price !!!!!
    How the hell that works I will never know, but 95% is what it is !!

    In the world of 00 railways, because of the way new prices have shot up in recent years, you can make profit on the newer boxed type packed SH models !!! If you bought a new model 3-4 years ago and the box is the new type (they keep changing), you'd have paid about £80. Now that same model in the same type box sells new for about £120-130!! So profit on new prices 3-4 years ago is able to be made if sold now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barryg View Post
    I wonder if it could it have anything to do with the pending airgun law review whenever that is.
    This is a fair point and something I have considered seriously. If, ok lets be honest when licensing comes in what will happen to the value of air rifles? Are they something people want to invest in right now? I dare say a large portion of shooters would give up the sport if licensing came in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thegreg View Post
    This is a fair point and something I have considered seriously. If, ok lets be honest when licensing comes in what will happen to the value of air rifles? Are they something people want to invest in right now? I dare say a large portion of shooters would give up the sport if licensing came in.

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    And that's EXACTLY what the government wants!!
    Don't give in to our treacherous government, buy the licence if only to roll it up and stick it up your local MP's ass !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbeam View Post
    And that's EXACTLY what the government wants!!
    Don't give in to our treacherous government, buy the licence if only to roll it up and stick it up your local MP's ass !!!!!
    I will be getting the licence if/when it comes in, but a lot won't. Point is the market will shrink considerably, and demand will go down.

    There still a level of uncertainty surrounding the matter, and people won't like it. It's fair to assume that this will affect people's decisions to buy air rifles right now. I don't want to open up another debate about licensing!

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    Personally I don't think the prospect of a licence being introduced outside Scotland is the reason why the sales section on the BBS is as it is at the moment, the If air guns were possibly going to be banned then I would agree but at worst others will have to apply for a licence, the cost of which is not prohibitive for the vast majority of shooters. Don't get me wrong I don't agree with licencing but anyone seriously into shooting air rifles won't not purchase because of this issue, they may however use it as a justification to beat down an advertised price.

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    I think the biggest problem that comes up in sales threads recently is the lack of suitable delivery options.

    So many ads now say "collection only". Whilst I understand the reasons for this and appreciate the sellers right to specify this, it does limit your market if you live in the Highlands for example, or even inner London.

    Time is so very precious to most of us that the prospect of wasting a day and a hundred quids worth of fuel makes many sales untenable.

    Then there is a lack of effort that so many sellers exhibit, again your choice, but if you can't be arsed to provide a photo, a link or some reasonably sensible request for further information, don't be surprised if you don't get people kicking your door down with unmarked fifties. "Can't post photos" is a cop out, anyone can if you're prepared to put five minutes worth of time in.

    When it comes to collectibles, I think there has been a plateaux reached or even a hopefully temporary slump. Giffards are being given away currently compared to the price I bought my first one for.

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    its like this.when people buying they want it for peanuts,but when selling want £5 more than shop price,just the way it is i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbeam View Post
    2/3rds of new price is totally correct, and be grateful it's only 2/3rds!
    In my professional world of scale 16mm live steam model railways, the locos are now 95% of new price !!!!!
    How the hell that works I will never know, but 95% is what it is !!

    In the world of 00 railways, because of the way new prices have shot up in recent years, you can make profit on the newer boxed type packed SH models !!! If you bought a new model 3-4 years ago and the box is the new type (they keep changing), you'd have paid about £80. Now that same model in the same type box sells new for about £120-130!! So profit on new prices 3-4 years ago is able to be made if sold now!
    Regardless of anyone's estimation or belief of what used values should be, the fact is values are determined by the buyers not the sellers.

    Anyone is free to stick out for the price they want for an item. If the item sells then it was the right price for that buyer on that day. Unfortunately what one buyer may pay one day, isn't too representative of what someone may want to pay another day.

    If I'm after a used rifle, or any used item come to that, I'll pay what that item is worth to me. If that happens to be the asking price then everyone's happy. If the seller wants more than I'm willing to pay then I don't buy.

    Just supply and demand.

    Oh and your dismay with the triggers... unfortunate that. The cheap price certainly did provoke some interest.
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    Sometimes sellers also lump in other accessories such as scopes or other items which may not be wanted and bump the price to that approaching a new item.
    Some will split - but there are some that expect you to sell off the bits you don't need when they can't be arsed themselves...

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    Thanks for all the interesting replies. The problem that still bothers me is that this situation appears to be BBS specific. When offered away from the BBS items go pretty quickly at or close to the price asked on here. This means that demand from the shooting community is still there!! Given the relatively small size of the airgun shooting community here in the UK this is really weird. It looks like potential buyers just wait to see whether the seller on here gives up and reduces the price and if not, he/she feels they will see it somewhere else so they might just as well wait.
    Another feature is how unbelievably price sensitive some items are. Some will have seen that I advertised 3 Bushnell Legend scopes for £125 posted. Only recently these would go for the £125 all day long and still be great value. Now not a squeak and yet they sold easily elsewhere. Also I advertised a very desirable Nikon ProStaff 2~7x32 scope with the rare BDC reticule for £110 posted and received an offer of £90 which in itself is perfectly reasonable for one with the 30:30 reticule. Owing to its rarity I genuinely expected more. As I don't like things sitting around I countered at £100 and was turned down. Now OK, folk spend their hard earned as they wish but I really would've thought that £100 for a mint scope not even available in the UK but where the version that is available (which has the simple 30:30 reticule) would cost £160 if you can find one. I will admit to being surprised at this but there we are. To prove me right it sold elsewhere very quickly at the full asking price.
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    A lot of serious shooters have given up coming here since it became populated by scammers and the none airgun bit is full of socialists that don’t actually shoot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    A lot of serious shooters have given up coming here since it became populated by scammers and the none airgun bit is full of socialists that don’t actually shoot...
    That's one of the reasons I only really like to deal with the older established members on here or I'll ask lots of questions and obtain photo's if it's a newbie and then I'll decide from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    A lot of serious shooters have given up coming here since it became populated by scammers and the none airgun bit is full of socialists that don’t actually shoot...
    Couldn't agree more. Last item I bought on here was a BSA Ultra. The deal was supposed to include a gun bag, however, the seller decided it was too large to post and didn't bother to send it. Cut a long story short, after I confirmed the wording of his ad with the mods he agreed to send a substitute bag. Unfortunately this one was 'lost in the post' and he is waiting for compensation from Royal Mail. This was months ago and I am still waiting for it. Scummer not a scammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    A lot of serious shooters have given up coming here since it became populated by scammers and the none airgun bit is full of socialists that don’t actually shoot...
    This was my 'go to' forum most days, for years. It's no longer the one that I frequent the most. Seems most posts are stupid political nonsense, dominated by a few people that make this place one that I no longer enjoy. Many of the protagonists don't appear to do much shooting and seem to have very dreary and miserable lives....

    I looked at a thread recently and found that 9 of the the first 10 posts were from people that I had on ignore.... Saved me wasting too much time.

    Four of my last 5 forum purchases were from other forums.

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    Hmmmm ... Sorry chaps, but I disagree with the premiss of this thread, as I have just sold two different, rather good condition, specialist Co2 pistols, plus accessories, for the upper end of their respective values, via two separate adverts the day after posting said sales threads, so I for one consider our sales section most vibrant (unless you are selling something over priced, or just plain cr@p that is, lol ) ...
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