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    Panorama Legal Weapon!!

    BBC at Again!
    Panorama investigates how antique guns are being brought into the UK perfectly legally and ending up in the hands of criminals. Panorama buys two handguns, one in America, carrying it through customs, and the other from an antique guns fair in Birmingham. Under current legislation it is legal to buy and sell guns provided commercially manufactured ammunition is no longer available. But criminals are home making ammunition for these antique weapons and then using them to kill. Gloucester gun dealer Paul Edmunds flooded the streets of Birmingham and London with antique guns as well as modern guns passed off as antiques. These weapons have been used in multiple murders. Now West Midlands Police and the National Ballistics Intelligence Service are calling for a change in the law to close this loophole.

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    Interesting when’s it on?
    A man can always use more alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    Interesting when’s it on?
    The 20th August Richard but not sure of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by lew07 View Post
    The 20th August Richard but not sure of time
    August 20th 8-30pm

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    Complain

    Complain to the BBC.
    Certainly after transmission but if possible before. It seems that the BBC are guilty of an offense.
    The items in question must be possessed as "an antique or curio" and not for business purposes.
    They are "using" these firearms which is not covered.
    Interesting.

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    picture appears to show S & W 2nd Model in 38 S&W which I would have thought not antique as ammo is commercially available...?
    and is Sect7,no loophole here to close
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardH View Post
    Interesting when’s it on?
    I just watched it.No attempt to address the real problem. Young black men who want to kill each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by lew07 View Post
    I just watched it.No attempt to address the real problem. Young black men who want to kill each other
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lew07 View Post
    I just watched it.No attempt to address the real problem. Young black men who want to kill each other
    Two flaws in that statement....

    #1 : "Young black men who want to kill each other" - no need for the racial slant, it's, barring the odd few, criminals killing each other.

    #2 : This is not problem and its a very cheap solution to the ineffectiveness of the judiciary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvey_s View Post
    Two flaws in that statement....

    #1 : "Young black men who want to kill each other" - no need for the racial slant, it's, barring the odd few, criminals killing each other.

    #2 : This is not problem and its a very cheap solution to the ineffectiveness of the judiciary.
    Wasn't this the very problem with the midlands grooming gangs - Everyone pussyfooting round the real problem and pretending it's nothing to do with race?

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    Having watched the prog, I find it disturbing that the .44 Russian cartridge is on the obsolete calibres list. Seems to be a bit of a hole in the law with some cartridges being relatively easy to fabricate from other similar cases. A muzzle loading colleague has also been known to fabricate 12 bore BP pinfire cartridges just to see if he could - they worked fine but were far too much trouble to be a worthwhile in quantity. Once again it seems that the law is a little naïve and over simplistic. I suppose given enough resource and motivation almost any cartridge could be home made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1066 View Post
    Wasn't this the very problem with the midlands grooming gangs - Everyone pussyfooting round the real problem and pretending it's nothing to do with race?
    Did you stop reading halfway through to start typing?... see item 2...
    it's not really a problem the crims shooting each other and more innocent people are killed by choking on their own food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvey_s View Post
    Two flaws in that statement....

    #1 : "Young black men who want to kill each other" - no need for the racial slant, it's, barring the odd few, criminals killing each other.

    #2 : This is not problem and its a very cheap solution to the ineffectiveness of the judiciary.
    Truth hurt?
    some guns.Eeeek!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fronteria View Post
    BBC at Again!
    Panorama investigates how antique guns are being brought into the UK perfectly legally and ending up in the hands of criminals. Panorama buys two handguns, one in America, carrying it through customs, and the other from an antique guns fair in Birmingham. Under current legislation it is legal to buy and sell guns provided commercially manufactured ammunition is no longer available. But criminals are home making ammunition for these antique weapons and then using them to kill. Gloucester gun dealer Paul Edmunds flooded the streets of Birmingham and London with antique guns as well as modern guns passed off as antiques. These weapons have been used in multiple murders. Now West Midlands Police and the National Ballistics Intelligence Service are calling for a change in the law to close this loophole.
    Ah, what loophole? Buying an obsolete calibre handgun is legal, providing you are over 18 yoa.

    Buying a gun the USA, is simple, providing that you have a UK FAC and the affair set in order to import it. It will usually be shipped directly to the RFD to save you carrying it - which would be illegal in the USA. I don't understand the buying a handgun and carrying through customs bit. How does that work out? Is it an antique C&R type of gun? In which case, unless you have a C&R registration, you STILL could not buy it legally in the USA. To have a C&R you must have a valid state driving license, and have pre-provided information fro the check.

    Purchase of primers without a valid FAC for the type of primers you are buying is impossible here in UK, legally.

    Possession of primers without a valid FAC is an offence.

    Buying primers on-line? How does that work out? Primers are classed as explosives.

    So the laws are already here - possession of a live firearm without an FAC is a criminal offence.

    Making an obsolete firearm into a live one by manufacturing ammunition, without a valid FAC, is a criminal offence. Even possession with intent etc is a criminal offence in this country

    Manufacturing ammunition for which you do not have a valid authority is a criminal offence.

    So, what loopholes are they talking about?

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    As usual lads they are misinformed rubbish will set off the antis, another case of people being educated beyond there intelligence and running away with them self’s.

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