Bsa Superstar or Weihrauch HW77

[El Garro]

As was said earlier, the 77 is an excellent gun all round , but, the Superstar is very good too.
There's a few different opinions about the long transfer port through the rotary breech and some don't like the trigger but once again it'll be down to personal taste. I've shot a lot of guns with Rekord triggers that are badly set up but the owners didn't complain.
There's talk of the break barrel BSA guns having 'issues' with the bore where they were brazed to the breech block but the Superstar and Goldstar won't suffer with this (that's if there is a problem in the first place)
I'd guess that if both guns were put head to head, the 77 would come out on top but the Superstar is lighter, the finish was very good and if it went horribly wrong, you can't chop the end of your fingers off in the breech
I like to buy Blitish and have a soft spot for Brummie guns so I'm slightly biased
With new breech O ring, a new piston seal, ( I've found the black BSA seals can sometimes look like new but still be worn, so tend to replace them in a new to me gun ) and a good cylinder polish and lube can make for a nice smooth shooter. I made a steel top hat weight, used a bit less spring and a Webley 'clothes peg' spring guide in my last one and it was sweet as a nut. Superdomes were the pellet of choice in that one (.22) but I think FTT were good too.
The 77 may be a bit more pleasing to the eye and is deadly accurate when sorted so if in doubt there's always the option of buying one of each, just in case

[trajectory]

Never tried a 177 Superstar or heard that the 177 barrel could be an issue, is it just the Superstar 177 or was it all of the BSA types of that generation it effects? Was it general varriabillity or just that they were not as inherrently accurate as the HW barrels?
Accupells & Superdomes seem to perform well. Im not sure about the mechanical design aspect of the two trigger mechanisms when you compare them to one another but the BSA's I have tried seem pretty good to me. Once set they seem to hold their adjustment & be very useable. The Rekord units always get the enthusiastic comments but from a user's point of view are they really that better?

[PCPShooter]

The guns of that gen couldn't match the German 177 barrels - BSA and Webley knocked out excellent 22 barrels

Webley later imported Walther barrels, AA use German barrels etc etc it was the start of all that

Even my not so old / though earlier BSA 177 PCP's , only shoot heavy pellets , so in effect very 'pellet fussy'

I gather finally BSA have got the hang of 177 barrels that compete with HW etc (though more variance)

[SRV1]

Never tried a 177 Superstar or heard that the 177 barrel could be an issue, is it just the Superstar 177 or was it all of the BSA types of that generation it effects? Was it general varriabillity or just that they were not as inherrently accurate as the HW barrels?
Accupells & Superdomes seem to perform well. Im not sure about the mechanical design aspect of the two trigger mechanisms when you compare them to one another but the BSA's I have tried seem pretty good to me. Once set they seem to hold their adjustment & be very useable. The Rekord units always get the enthusiastic comments but from a user's point of view are they really that better?

I have several Superstars including 0.177 and Carbine versions.....I have never heard of any problems, the only thing I can think of was possibly a review of loading 0.177 pellets into the rotary breech with boxing gloves on. Compared to my HW77's and other HW's, also Anschutz 335 and a MasterSport FWB 127, the Superstars will match them any day - mind, I only shoot open sights.

Curious enough, my Superstars shoot the modern, so called inferior Wasps, as good as the Superdomes......

All the best.......By the way; Anyone migrating from Superstars and enjoying troublesome PCP's, cylinders/testing, wonky fittings, mysterious leaks and boring pellet after pellet in the same hole, give us a shout - I may be interested in your un-loved Superstar....

[trajectory]

Thanks for all the replies & comments so far. It's interesting to hear the different views about the .177 versions of the Superstar. Perhaps I can use that as an excuse to go & look for one myself & see how it performs. Certainly in .22 I like it a lot.

[Thegreg]

If I had to have one of them I'd take the Superstar. I think they're lovely rifles. The HW77 is arguably a better engineered gun but I'd get more enjoyment from owning a Superstar. I've got a .177 with no accuracy issues whatsoever, I'd put it up against any HW springer.

Cheers
Greg

[trajectory]

If I had to have one of them I'd take the Superstar. I think they're lovely rifles. The HW77 is arguably a better engineered gun but I'd get more enjoyment from owning a Superstar. I've got a .177 with no accuracy issues whatsoever, I'd put it up against any HW springer.

Cheers
Greg

That's pretty encouraging news about the .177 being an accurate rifle. If I see one in the right condition & at the right sort of price I could be tempted.

[mattie]

Nice post this. I've had both, the hw77 was tje better engineered rifle and very accurate with superdomes, however.....there was something about my mk1 .22 superstar, lovely looking, it was superbly accurate with domes again, nice safe breach, resettable safety, trigger was a good one, lighter and had character but the maxi grip scope rail was it's downfall, a ridiculous abomination of a feature, being 14mm wide and hard as nails to remove, mounts were a pain even the special BKL wide ones, made replacing the innards a real pain. Do regret selling it last year though. Now have a .177 lgv comp ultra which sadly shoots the pants off the bsa (and standard Hw97k too!)

PS saying that, if I see a mint .22 superstar mk2 carbine I'd probably have it. Saw one at a fair and it had gone within the hour.