The Hw80 is a man's gun, that is you'll have to be of a certain stature to hold and use the rifle. A bit like if going up a flight of stairs is too much for you, then the 80 will also be. Most owners are of a certain age as to appreciate quality engineering, as this rifle just oozes it. Don't buy one until you have tried it for size and fit. If it ticks those boxes, get your wallet out !