Kriss Defiance DMK22C .22LR

[boff180]

Short update firstly, I am going to change the trigger.

However mainly I must stress the gun mart and What Gun? reviews are wrong the forend is NOT M-LOK compatible!

There is limited information available on what attachments would work however U.K. reviews claim it to be M-LOK.

I’ve just wasted £30 on the magpul bipod adapter to find it doesn’t fit. Whilst the holes match the screw hole locations on the adapter, it sits proud rather than in the locking lugs due to the slots being too short. In addiion, the screws provided with M-LOK equipment are a wider diameter than the screw holes. The slots are also too wide for the locking t nuts to work.

Not a criticism of the gun really, more a criticism of poor reporting. Not impressed.

EDIT - I’ve now heard from Kriss who have categorically confirmed the forend is not M-Lok compatible. You have to acquire their own proprietary rail expansions.

[R0B]

Thanks for the write up...I want one. How much is the trigger upgrade? . Do you know who the UK importer is?...prices seem to vary a lot...your deal seems pretty good.

Rob

[boff180]

Thanks for the question.

Trigger jobs come in all different prices, as the gun is mil-spec most - if not all - commercial AR15 triggers will fit the gun, these range from £80 to £400 and can be purchased via retailers such as Rifleworks or Brownells. There are two types, a parts kit where you assemble the trigger yourself or, the second type is a drop in unit. The latter is very simple to install... pop out the two retainer pins holding the trigger and hammer mechanism... remove all the parts... put the unit in its place, reinstall the pins. Job done.

The importer and distributor of the rifle is Shield Sights. www.shieldpsd.com

I purchased the required expansion rail off him last week, friendly company owner and the process was very quick and simple.

Andy

[Muskett]

Another .22 tactical that cost $640 in the USA and costing almost double in the UK. Same as the Sigg 522 was hugely overpriced for what it is.
These should be $=£ plus a smidge so £650; £750 max.

Yes I do know all the costs involved bringing them in. Between agents and retail they are putting 100% on the price. Most guns in the UK make nothing like that. It would probably be cheaper to fly to the USA and bring one back.
Add a trigger worth having and the sums just don't add up.
For that reason I've lost interest.

[thisisdonald]

Well I shot my pals Kriss this morning and I loved it.. he has a different rail on it than standard and a wee vortex on top.. brilliant fun.. very accurate.. he has had 500 odd rounds through it so far with no jams, misfeeds or any type of malfunction... it's a solid wee gun and will ragged hole off a rest at 25m (our max range).
I've not shot any other .22 ar types but to me this sets a pretty high benchmark...

I also got a wee shot of a gsg mp40! Loved it.. the owner promised me a go of his stg44 next time!!!

[boff180]

Another .22 tactical that cost $640 in the USA and costing almost double in the UK. Same as the Sigg 522 was hugely overpriced for what it is.
These should be $=£ plus a smidge so £650; £750 max.

Yes I do know all the costs involved bringing them in. Between agents and retail they are putting 100% on the price. Most guns in the UK make nothing like that. It would probably be cheaper to fly to the USA and bring one back.
Add a trigger worth having and the sums just don't add up.
For that reason I've lost interest.

You're forgetting advertised prices in the US don't include tax. A quick run down of the maths of importing a firearm in to the UK shows the price is actually pretty much spot on and not over-inflated. It's the cost of doing business in the UK, I've detailed below.

MSRP is $699 so, say wholesale price is 10% less (based on a quick google of US discussion forums on their RFD mark-up being 5-15%) so that gives a wholesale cost of $629.

A) £ to $ is currently 1.32 therefore direct UK conversion is £477.
B) Import duty on the wholesale cost @ 20% = £95.

C) Gun Cost to the UK Importer say = £572 (A+B)

D) Shipping costs from the states, Say = £60 per gun
E) Import duty on shipping costs @ 20% = £12 (know first hand this is charged by the UK, been stung - twice).
F) Proofing of firearm in UK = £20

G) Total Cost preparing for sale in the UK = £664 (C+D+E+F)
H) Profit at 10% = £66

I) Sale Cost before VAT = £730 (G + H)
J) Sale VAT @ 20% = £146

K) Purchase Price to UK Customer = £876 (I + J)

[Muskett]

We had Sig 522's over here for under £400. I suspect these aren't more expensive. Exchange rate was $1.51. Think they were £477 after all taxes and expenses out of the proofing house. Think we charged £650 or so.
(I only brought the Sigs over because I was so annoyed with the UK rip off prices. The figures above are what I remember rather than from the books so don't take them as gospal. For our efforts we took a tad over £100. I agree there is considerable effort involved.)

But over £800 for a $560 rifle is eye watering.

[theblackpaw]

Just waiting on my first FAC. Been a SG certificate holder for many years. Decided this renewal I'd go for both. I fancy the DMK22 or an M&P 15-22. The Kriss feels much nicer to hold but I'm going to visit a range and try both back to back then hand over the visa card :-)

Have you tried M&P mags in it? Seems like bolt hold open will be a decent advantage for practical shooting / quick mag changes.