New Webley Nemesis

[thisisdonald]

Hasn't hit the nail on the head at all. The Webley of 30+ years ago is no more. Let it go and cherish the quality Webley products of ye old days whilst accepting that the current incarnation of Webley caters to a different market with different products. However if you want to keep raising your collective blood pressures over such an issue please do so.

I think the original nemesis and the alecto were steps in a new direction, whereas the stinger and this new nemesis are not. As for the traditional webley pistol design being out of date I don't think so.. They could easily revamp the overbarrel design, just look at the baikal mp514k for a recent incarnation of such a setup.

[Troubledshooter]

I think the original nemesis and the alecto were steps in a new direction, whereas the stinger and this new nemesis are not. As for the traditional webley pistol design being out of date I don't think so.. They could easily revamp the overbarrel design, just look at the baikal mp514k for a recent incarnation of such a setup.

The original Webley Nemesis was the last of the Webley designed and built Air Pistols, whereas the Alecto was basically just a rebadges Turkish Zoraki.

[thisisdonald]

The original Webley Nemesis was the last of the Webley designed and built Air Pistols, whereas the Alecto was basically just a rebadges Turkish Zoraki.

Ahh.. I thought the alecto came first and all others were copies... like the hw40.

[Geezer]

Ahh.. I thought the alecto came first and all others were copies... like the hw40.

The first SSP pistols, were match guns from the late 60s through early/mid 70s like the Walther LP2&3, FAS604, Air Match.

The mid-range SSPs started I think with the Gamo PR-15 and PR-45 as lower-cost derivatives of the Gamo Compact in around 1992-93. Quickly followed by the old (proper) Webley Nemesis in 1994 or 95.

HW saw an opportunity and brought out the HW40/Beeman P3 in 1999.

If you compare the three, they are all the same basic design (as is the HW75). And are based on the FAS.

Yes, you read that right. First Webley, then HW, copied Gamo.

Or, maybe, there is one obvious best way to design an SSP.

Until 1999, Beeman had been selling Webley Nemesises (is that the correct plural?) in the US. He immediately dropped the Webley and sold the HW instead - another nail in old Webley’s coffin. Truth be told, the HW is probably a better pistol (and the Gamo ain’t bad, and was cheaper).

The “Webley” (Zoracki) Alecto arrived on the scene about ten years ago, and is no longer sold as a “Webley”. Which is almost a shame as it’s one of the few modern “Webleys” that actually seems quite good (even if I think it looks stupid).

[thisisdonald]

I did a wee bit of research as well and as far as I can tell, the alecto was manufactured for webley by atakarms, webley then dropped it and atakarms started producing it for themselves. Zoraki seems to be the designation the company gives all it's pistols.

I've had the nemesis, pr15 and my favourite which I should never have sold, fwb100.. what a beauty! One If like the nemesis as well though.. the pr15 I got when they came out, it kept pinching my hand when closing so I got rid.

[Geezer]

I did a wee bit of research as well and as far as I can tell, the alecto was manufactured for webley by atakarms, webley then dropped it and atakarms started producing it for themselves. Zoraki seems to be the designation the company gives all it's pistols.

I've had the nemesis, pr15 and my favourite which I should never have sold, fwb100.. what a beauty! One If like the nemesis as well though.. the pr15 I got when they came out, it kept pinching my hand when closing so I got rid.

Yes, Atakarms is the company, Zoracki is the brand name.

The PR-45 is in my view at least as good as the Nemesis. Have both, and FAS604, and Compact. The HW40 is obviously a great gun, but I dislike its “trying too hard” looks.

[Troubledshooter]

Atakarms own version of the Alecto, the Zoraki HP-01, was already in production when the Alecto was introduced by Webley.
The only exploded diagram and parts list I was able to obtain at the time, was for the Zoraki HP-01.

I bought one of the first Nemesis in the clam shell packaging and subsequently bought a lot, although not all, of the colour variations both in clam shells and the later boxes. I sold most of them, including a gold coloured presentation model, to another very keen collector, but still have a couple left along with some spares.
In my opinion, the SSP Nemesis was ideal as a relatively low powered plinker.

[I. J.]

I had a quick play with one of these on Friday. The grip is at the wrong angle for me. Once fitted with a silencer it is very quiet, ideal for back garden plinking so as not to disturb the neighbours, but once you fit a silencer you cant see down the open sights. The 'key' to piercing the CO2 capsule is in the pistol grip so is the magazine and I found it fiddly to use. The trigger??? Pasable for a plinker. I didn't get a chance to test it for accuracy. Interchangeable bolt, leftie or righty, is a great idea.

IMO far better than the old, over barrel cocking Wobblys.

ATB
Ian

[Alakar]

I've put a review in the review section

[Brimfire]

Now that there's more/better pictures available, I don't think the new Nemesis looks that bad.
Alakar's review filled in the holes in the AGW piece, namely that there's some adjustability to the sights and the shot count is a respectable 55.
Would still like to know if the gun is based on a CP1 though, which, in my view, wouldn't do it any harm at all.

[Alakar]

Would still like to know if the gun is based on a CP1 though, which, in my view, wouldn't do it any harm at all.

I don't think it's based on the CP1 , but that's my opinion . The CP1 is a mighty fine pistol , in fact possibly the most accurate CO2 pistol that I've shot . The Nemesis is something different , more like a 2240/CP1 / HW40 combination . Obviously not SSP but in shape it's similar to the HW40 whilst the action reminds me of the 2240/CP1 .

[Brimfire]

Thanks for that - the L shaped slot for the bolt just screamed CP1 at me and, as it's largely always been with airguns, it seems easier to dress up an existing design rather than create something new from scratch. Hence my suspicion.

I've already got a CP1 so I doubt I'll be getting one of these but I am a bit bemused by the reaction to this pistol - was the original Nemesis really that revered? I've had a brief session with one a while back and the only thing I can recall was that it didn't feel comfortable in the hand at all.

[wildy]

Just thought I would add my comment now I have had one for a couple of weeks as people seem to slate it without seeing it, holding it or shooting it! Lets start with the obvious..I absolutely love the original Webley pistols (10 and counting) but this is not from that classic era. Modern "Webley" are just using the connection for marketing as any business would. At least the Turkish factory is still giving us pistols to shoot (albeit made in China) and should be so acknowledged for doing so when there is such an anti gun hysteria at present. I bought it "as new" in .177 for £100 posted off the BBS (easy purchase from a nice chap) So onto my brief thoughts;

For what I class to be a budget pistol its well made. The polymer is well molded, its solid, feels good in the hand and on aim, no rattles and points well. Feels like a much more expensive pistol to me. Its HW45 size but lighter.

Sights are good, clear with glowing inserts. Only the front sight is adjustable for windage but mine didn't need it. Be careful you keep the grub screws tightened as mine were loose. Easy to fit a red dot or laser as lots of rails.

Cocks easy and bolt reversible for left hookers. Cross-bolt safety is positive and works well.

The single shot try is a nice freebie and works well. The mag has functioned flawlessly but is an all polymer molding so probably not going to last forever but at least it will always shoot with the shot tray in the future if needed. I was surprised to note that the mag can be stripped to component parts so it may last longer that expected. Replacements are cheap enough and I will prob buy one to keep as a spare for the future.

Trigger is surprising good. It is two stage and breaks clean and lightly. From the factory the first stage is very long but what is not mentioned anywhere online or in the instructions is that the first stage can be shortened by a small allen key/grub screw on the face of the trigger. A couple of twists and the trigger first stage on mine was halved to a very very nice let-off. Worthy of something much more expensive. The let off weight is ideal as from the factory so I have no intention of stripping it to see if the let off is adjustable, but I suspect it is.

Its threaded for a mod and if you choose a small slimline one it has no influence on the sight picture if you want to stay with open sights. I stuck a small 5" one on and its perfect. Tames the report to a nice quiet thud. Not too bad without it but not worth annoying the neighbours.

Mine is .177 and is doing around 3.5ftlbs. It was cold so may rise a little in summer but not bad for a .177. The .22 is likely to do more being more efficient. Now accuracy is what surprised me the most. I have a 6m indoor range and with a weaver style off hand (unsupported) two handed grip it will put all 14 shots in a 5p piece group with open sights (.177 RWS Superdomes) which I think for the the price of it is pretty good. At 6m it shoots about 1.5 inches high but that is probably ideal for longer ranges tin can bashing in the garden. With a small red dot such as a Hawke RD25 I think this will be an excellent combo.

I am getting about 4 mags per co2 bulb before you notice any drop off so not bad.

In conclusion...I like it and rate it. It feels very nice on aim and is the sort of pistol you want to pick up and shoot. I can see these been modded as time goes by as they are cheap to start with and offer potential similar to the Crosman 2240. Please don't disregard it as not being a true "Webley" as its a lot of gun for the money. Try one before you slate it.