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    A good replica is the KWC P08 (luger) a very well detailed full metal pistol that is reasonably accurate (it is 4.5mm BB). The action is spot on so full blow back. It strips just as the original which gives you a good insight into how these fascinating pistols function.
    My only grouse is the black plastic grips. I bought a set of walnut Replacement grips off the bay for a genuine P08 from India- but they are going to be hard work to fit due to the differences under the skin of the real and replica pistol. I'll do it one day I'm sure!
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    What Tony T said!
    I was very impressed with metal bits, but the grips do let it down...
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    Thanks both, a mate has the Umarex legends PO8 non blowback which is impressive in terms of power / accuracy but is not FS. I’ll check out the KWC variant too. Anymore for anymore?!
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    The Baikal Makarov is the best if you want a gun made like a real firearm. Proper forged gunmetal construction and made in the Baikal factory alongside live firing version. Fully field stripable, because it's not a replica, it's the real thing. No other replica of a firearm comes close. Umarex etc actually make a replica of the Makarov, but what's the point of a cast alloy pretender when the real thing doesn't cost much more. Aprox £170.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joncaddy View Post
    The Baikal Makarov is the best if you want a gun made like a real firearm. Proper forged gunmetal construction and made in the Baikal factory alongside live firing version. Fully field stripable, because it's not a replica, it's the real thing. No other replica of a firearm comes close. Umarex etc actually make a replica of the Makarov, but what's the point of a cast alloy pretender when the real thing doesn't cost much more. Aprox £170.

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    As others have stated, the various KWC 1911 BB 'clones' are field-strippable. I have a TFW, Colt Custom & Cybergun Rail Gun (6mm) which all are.

    Coincidentally, I tried out one of the Sig Max Michel pistols a few months back and it was the worst Co2 'replica' that Ive ever shot and I was so disappointed with it overall, that I took it back to the shop the next day. The issues were numerous:

    Thin, flimsy plastic grips which detached with the slightest effort.
    Flimsy stick magazine which ejected if your hand inadvertently touched the release button whilst holding the pistol to shoot.
    The 'clever' (!) cam system for loading the Co2 which cleverly (!) and painfully trapped the fleshy part below my thumb on a couple of occasions whilst I was trying to squeeze it shut and pierce the capsule.
    Worst accuracy I'd ever achieved with either a BB or pellet firing pistol. POI was all over the place and had no consistency at all.
    Non field-strippable, so how you'd effectively & simply remove a stuck BB, god alone knows.
    Stainless/Nickel finish was very cheap looking and not a patch on the likes of Umarex.

    If the Max Michel and the X-5 are examples of what a real firearms manufacturer can produce........I think I'll pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikonman View Post
    As others have stated, the various KWC 1911 BB 'clones' are field-strippable. I have a TFW, Colt Custom & Cybergun Rail Gun (6mm) which all are.

    Coincidentally, I tried out one of the Sig Max Michel pistols a few months back and it was the worst Co2 'replica' that Ive ever shot and I was so disappointed with it overall, that I took it back to the shop the next day. The issues were numerous:

    Thin, flimsy plastic grips which detached with the slightest effort.
    Flimsy stick magazine which ejected if your hand inadvertently touched the release button whilst holding the pistol to shoot.
    The 'clever' (!) cam system for loading the Co2 which cleverly (!) and painfully trapped the fleshy part below my thumb on a couple of occasions whilst I was trying to squeeze it shut and pierce the capsule.
    Worst accuracy I'd ever achieved with either a BB or pellet firing pistol. POI was all over the place and had no consistency at all.
    Non field-strippable, so how you'd effectively & simply remove a stuck BB, god alone knows.
    Stainless/Nickel finish was very cheap looking and not a patch on the likes of Umarex.

    If the Max Michel and the X-5 are examples of what a real firearms manufacturer can produce........I think I'll pass.
    I’m relatively new to shooting and therefore don’t have a yardstick but the X-Five I bought was dreadful, truly awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joncaddy View Post
    The Baikal Makarov is the best if you want a gun made like a real firearm. Proper forged gunmetal construction and made in the Baikal factory alongside live firing version. Fully field stripable, because it's not a replica, it's the real thing. No other replica of a firearm comes close. Umarex etc actually make a replica of the Makarov, but what's the point of a cast alloy pretender when the real thing doesn't cost much more. Aprox £170.
    Gen 1 is the closest to the real steel as even the slides were taken & machined from the normal production batches wheras I believe the later gen's had a dedicated casting.

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