Even better looking than a HW35
....Been bought out in 1985 by Weihrauch instead of Gamo?
Do you think the quality would be better than it is now and knowing how HW are still making their entire range, do you think all of the BSA springer models would still be made today?
Your thoughts please gents.
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
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Interesting idea.
I think they would because none of the BSA range go head to head with Weihrauch rifles.
Theres two things Im certain of however...
1 - BSA quality would have been higher than it is under Gamo's ownership
2 - They also would never have been allowed to released that fugly abortion the Defiant
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Yes What IF??? we would have been better off IF Parker-hale along with Webley and Bsa formed together and made a true British gun company --I bet Air-Arms and daystate would be no where as big as there are nowand HW wouldn't be as popular as it is now I have noticed that a few new guns now are sharing the same action rifles and pistols !!!!!
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On the other hand, it could have been a gunmaking version of British Leyland. Probably would have been, IMHO.Originally Posted by ZAKDINGEL
BSA was really killed by Japanese motorcycles, not German airguns. Same as Triumph, Matchless/AJS, Norton.
Webley had been slowly dying (or the illness was with hindsight diagnosable) from the moment it lost peacetime military pistol contracts in the 1930s.
Sad, really.
Zebedee
We can only guess at the possible outcome.
One thing I do know, though, is that a modern day Mercury Challenger, built with Weihrauch robustness & solidity, with the beefier HW barrel hinge bolt and Rekord trigger somehow grafted in there (maybe like the Gamos with the sloping end block being just cosmetic) would be a wonderful thing to behold.
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You mean a HW35 with a BSA badge and no breech lock?We can only guess at the possible outcome.
One thing I do know, though, is that a modern day Mercury Challenger, built with Weihrauch robustness & solidity, with the beefier HW barrel hinge bolt and Rekord trigger somehow grafted in there (maybe like the Gamos with the sloping end block being just cosmetic) would be a wonderful thing to behold.
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An HW57 with a rotary breech perhaps,or a pop up loading Merlinsporter?
Zebedee
Do you think Pete would rumble it?You mean a HW35 with a BSA badge and no breech lock?
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God forbid a maestro in.22or a .25 metro
Dodgy Diana User
Maestro: Webley Vulcan.God forbid a maestro in.22
Metro: BSA Meteor.
TVR 3000: Theoben Sirocco.
Maxi: Sterling HR81.
Audi Quattro: HW80.
Golf GTI: FWB Sport.
Ferrari: Venom Mach-1.
Something like that?
Even better looking than a HW35
I don't know, I come up with a thought provoking subject for us all to discuss and you just have to go and rub my nose in it like a naughty kitten that's just shit in the cornerDo you think Pete would rumble it?
Of coarse I'm going to notice if a beautiful BSA badge is going to be nailed onto an ugly old 35 ya bloody fools
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
BSA made an excellent rifle in the SuperStar. With a regular type scope ramp and just a little bit more work on the trigger it could have probably gone head to head with the HW77. But the SuperStar came out years and years too late.
Also, they really messed up not making 'their' version of the ProSport. They abjurred the sliding compression cylinder (although it is an easy OBVIOUS enough steal from the common Feinwerkbau 300 which had been around for AGES, they did not need to research deep into airgun history to find a sliding breech, there were dozens of FWB300s just round the corner at City Air Weapons) and went off down the crazy pathway of a magazine fed springer which no-one outside of Plinkers' Corner wanted and wasted all that development time on the roller-breech and the VS2000 and the Goldstar autoloaded springer, when all they need to have done was copy the best way of getting a cheap consistent scope/barrel alignment and direct-loading breech (i.e. the FWB 300 and HW77 arrangement), make it a under-lever pull-cocker like the Airsporter and Bob's your uncle, BSA have the ProSport 20 years before such a thing was brought out by Air Arms.
They made lots of mistakes with the springers, but I would say they made good with the PCPs. Can't win 'em all.
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Well, it is an interesting idea.
It pretty much actually happened in real life in the 1980s .
Weihrauch bought out the venerable and once-respected German firm of BSF. You see, there is only one letter different to BSA.
BSF produced powerful break-barrels and a powerful tap-loader, as well as some lighter youth and junior break-barrels. They were study pieces of engineering, all steel and wood, real workhorses that can last several lifetimes.
The designs were getting a bit dated by the time they had to sell to Weihrauch.
Weihrauch used up the parts they inherited in producing a couple of hybrids which owed most of their lineage to HW guns, when they were exhausted, BSF faded out fully.
The obselete but magnificent HW85 contained the ghost of BSF, which was forced to breed with an early HW30 to give the HW95/98 model. So nothing is left really of the once-mighty firm of BSF, a rifle which was much regarded as a rabbit slayer back in the old AGW.
Do you think this would not have happened to BSA? At least Gamo kept some of the names, and more importantly, the famous BSA barrels.
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Now,if BSA had bought out Weihrauch all the HW range would be put together with posidrive self tappers,breech pins rather than bolts,(no breech locks,of course) plastic sights and a dumbed down version of the Perfekt trigger with a fifteen pound pull!
The galling cocking links would,of course be retained by BSA!
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Breech pins instead of bolts! They saved PENNIES and lost the whole game! AND THEY ARE STILL DOING IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ffs!Now,if BSA had bought out Weihrauch all the HW range would be put together with posidrive self tappers,breech pins rather than bolts,(no breech locks,of course) plastic sights and a dumbed down version of the Perfekt trigger with a fifteen pound pull!
The galling cocking links would,of course be retained by BSA!
Even the Commies were using bolts instead of pins on their rifle, even the poorest and the worst of the Commies, the Chinese and the Russians, THEY used them (probably because they slavishly stole their ideas from the Germans). But not BSA, the barrels can flap about in the breeze because they were only used with open sights on 15 yard garden ranges... no-one at BSA ever read AGW obviously.
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