Even better looking than a HW35
....Been bought out in 1985 by Weihrauch instead of Gamo?
Do you think the quality would be better than it is now and knowing how HW are still making their entire range, do you think all of the BSA springer models would still be made today?
Your thoughts please gents.
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
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Interesting idea.
I think they would because none of the BSA range go head to head with Weihrauch rifles.
Theres two things Im certain of however...
1 - BSA quality would have been higher than it is under Gamo's ownership
2 - They also would never have been allowed to released that fugly abortion the Defiant
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Yes What IF??? we would have been better off IF Parker-hale along with Webley and Bsa formed together and made a true British gun company --I bet Air-Arms and daystate would be no where as big as there are nowand HW wouldn't be as popular as it is now I have noticed that a few new guns now are sharing the same action rifles and pistols !!!!!
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On the other hand, it could have been a gunmaking version of British Leyland. Probably would have been, IMHO.Originally Posted by ZAKDINGEL
BSA was really killed by Japanese motorcycles, not German airguns. Same as Triumph, Matchless/AJS, Norton.
Webley had been slowly dying (or the illness was with hindsight diagnosable) from the moment it lost peacetime military pistol contracts in the 1930s.
Sad, really.
Zebedee
We can only guess at the possible outcome.
One thing I do know, though, is that a modern day Mercury Challenger, built with Weihrauch robustness & solidity, with the beefier HW barrel hinge bolt and Rekord trigger somehow grafted in there (maybe like the Gamos with the sloping end block being just cosmetic) would be a wonderful thing to behold.
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You mean a HW35 with a BSA badge and no breech lock?We can only guess at the possible outcome.
One thing I do know, though, is that a modern day Mercury Challenger, built with Weihrauch robustness & solidity, with the beefier HW barrel hinge bolt and Rekord trigger somehow grafted in there (maybe like the Gamos with the sloping end block being just cosmetic) would be a wonderful thing to behold.
BSA Super10 addict, other BSA's inc GoldstarSE, Original (Diana) Mod75's, Diana Mod5, HW80's, SAM 11K... All sorted!
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An HW57 with a rotary breech perhaps,or a pop up loading Merlinsporter?
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God forbid a maestro in.22or a .25 metro
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Maestro: Webley Vulcan.God forbid a maestro in.22
Metro: BSA Meteor.
TVR 3000: Theoben Sirocco.
Maxi: Sterling HR81.
Audi Quattro: HW80.
Golf GTI: FWB Sport.
Ferrari: Venom Mach-1.
Something like that?
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Well, it is an interesting idea.
It pretty much actually happened in real life in the 1980s .
Weihrauch bought out the venerable and once-respected German firm of BSF. You see, there is only one letter different to BSA.
BSF produced powerful break-barrels and a powerful tap-loader, as well as some lighter youth and junior break-barrels. They were study pieces of engineering, all steel and wood, real workhorses that can last several lifetimes.
The designs were getting a bit dated by the time they had to sell to Weihrauch.
Weihrauch used up the parts they inherited in producing a couple of hybrids which owed most of their lineage to HW guns, when they were exhausted, BSF faded out fully.
The obselete but magnificent HW85 contained the ghost of BSF, which was forced to breed with an early HW30 to give the HW95/98 model. So nothing is left really of the once-mighty firm of BSF, a rifle which was much regarded as a rabbit slayer back in the old AGW.
Do you think this would not have happened to BSA? At least Gamo kept some of the names, and more importantly, the famous BSA barrels.
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Now,if BSA had bought out Weihrauch all the HW range would be put together with posidrive self tappers,breech pins rather than bolts,(no breech locks,of course) plastic sights and a dumbed down version of the Perfekt trigger with a fifteen pound pull!
The galling cocking links would,of course be retained by BSA!
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
Breech pins instead of bolts! They saved PENNIES and lost the whole game! AND THEY ARE STILL DOING IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ffs!Now,if BSA had bought out Weihrauch all the HW range would be put together with posidrive self tappers,breech pins rather than bolts,(no breech locks,of course) plastic sights and a dumbed down version of the Perfekt trigger with a fifteen pound pull!
The galling cocking links would,of course be retained by BSA!
Even the Commies were using bolts instead of pins on their rifle, even the poorest and the worst of the Commies, the Chinese and the Russians, THEY used them (probably because they slavishly stole their ideas from the Germans). But not BSA, the barrels can flap about in the breeze because they were only used with open sights on 15 yard garden ranges... no-one at BSA ever read AGW obviously.
Even better looking than a HW35
Yep that's one failing they really should have done something about years ago, as for the Superstar trigger, I actually love that trigger and think it's better than the Rekord, I know it's not a proper two stager but all the ones I've ever used have always had a smooth, positive and very crisp let off.
I do wonder if HW would have gone down the same route as BMW did when they bought Rover and just robbed us of all the iconic names and models and then shut them down, I suppose in theory Gamo have kept BSA going but they don't really have much to show for it anymore, like you say Alistair, BSA could have kept the iconic Airsporter going but improved it beyond recognition and produced their own Prosport, instead they decided to keep a couple of the lower end models and then just mashed them into something the Chinese even laugh at, it wouldn't have been so bad if they had compensated for dropping the higher end models and put a load of good bits into the models they kept but they've just got worse.
Pete
Far too many rifles to list now, all mainly British but the odd pesky foreigner has snuck in
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Hello to All,
1970s BSA quality ???
Open up a 1970s BSA Airsporter, and you will see something that would ashame even the worst far Eastern manufacturer.
A crappy piston badly rolled from sheet, a basic & crappy trigger, a tap basically held in by the stock.
For a flagship rifle - absolute sh!te
The Japanese did not kill the British motor-cycle industry - it was moribund anyways - the Japanese just filled the vacuum, and filled them with motor-cycles you could actually ride instead of having to push them for miles when they broke down yet again.
My late Meridan Triumph Bonneville was appalling - it was much better after I had machined flat the base of the cylinders to stop it leaking oil, re-built the clutch so it actually worked properly, and re-balanced the crank, so it didn't wreck the bike from vibrations. A complete and utter crock of sh!te. Quality control ? I think Stevie Wonder would have done a much better job than those at Triumph or BSA
I won't even start on my ex-army BSA B40
Nostalgia comes with a free pair of rose tinted specs
Have fun
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Russ
may also be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocation dingle arm, to reduce sinusoidal repleneration
The Rovers that were made when Honda were in charge were mostly very good cars, and the Rover 75 with the BMW engine was good too.
Thing was that the pure Honda versions of the Rover Hondas were just as good and cheaper, both made in the UK. So that wasn't going to work, unless you really liked the name Rover on your car. The BMW Rover was competing against the BMW so that didn't stand a chance either...
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