Posting a PCP

[Neil.]

Just sold a FN12. I agreed to post it, which I didnt want to do really, because of the aggro. I think it has to go PF48

I've parcelled it up, but a search on here says it has to be empty of air? Is this true, otherwise I've got to unpack it and go plinking...

Also, the last time I posted one, I seem to remember it had to be "low powered airgun for sporting purposes".

Anyone be exactly specific on this?

Ta.

[Neil54]

Yes parcel force 48 is the service to use.
Yes it is supposed to be empty of air, who is going to know.
Some post office counter operatives don't know that parcel force will take air rifles, it's handy to take a copy of the website or a link so they can check themselves.

[angrybear]

Just sold a FN12. I agreed to post it, which I didnt want to do really, because of the aggro. I think it has to go PF48

I've parcelled it up, but a search on here says it has to be empty of air? Is this true, otherwise I've got to unpack it and go plinking...

Also, the last time I posted one, I seem to remember it had to be "low powered airgun for sporting purposes".

Anyone be exactly specific on this?

Ta.

There has never been a definitive answer, air guns are allowed but pressure vessels aren't, so where does a pcp air tank fall ?
I think it's deliberately being left as a grey area, which is why they should be sent empty to put the benefit of the doubt back in your favour should there be any issue, otoh the odds of any issue are minute.

When you take it to the PO politely tell the counter staff it's an air gun which is allowed under "guns for sporting use" as defined in leaflet RMDG19 (prohibited and restricted items) & that it must be sent PF48 to comply with RM rules, I always say that as soon as I get served before they ask, because it puts them on the back foot & shows you know what you're talking about, they then have to prove you wrong rather than give them a chance to refuse it.
If they try to say it's too long remind them PF48 has a 1.5m length, it should cost £13.20 ish (up to 5kg)

[Jesim1]

Angrybear points you to leaflet: RMDG19 (prohibited and restricted items), and he is correct in that respect, however - this is the bit from that very leaflet that makes it illegal to post a PCP in the UK:

"Gases, including flammable, non-flammable, toxic and compressed gases (including new, used and empty gas cylinders, ethane, butane, refills for lighters, fire extinguishers and scuba tanks, life jackets, nitrogen dioxide and carbon dioxide canisters including culinary foaming devices & soda stream)"

Post at your peril, lots of people on hear have had one confiscated in the past, it's just luck that most get through ok, but it's a risk.

James

[32:1]

Take the filler valve out of the cylinder, it cant be pressurised then.
I lost a rapid bottle because it had valve fitted, its then classed as a pressure vessel

Chris

[angrybear]

Angrybear points you to leaflet: RMDG19 (prohibited and restricted items), and he is correct in that respect, however - this is the bit from that very leaflet that makes it illegal to post a PCP in the UK:

"Gases, including flammable, non-flammable, toxic and compressed gases (including new, used and empty gas cylinders, ethane, butane, refills for lighters, fire extinguishers and scuba tanks, life jackets, nitrogen dioxide and carbon dioxide canisters including culinary foaming devices & soda stream)"

Post at your peril, lots of people on hear have had one confiscated in the past, it's just luck that most get through ok, but it's a risk.

James

As I said above, I believe it's being deliberately left as a grey area following on from the legal ruling that RM was obliged to carry legal guns.

It's a bit like batteries; used batteries are prohibited when sent loose, but yet they are fine & dandy when sent with or connected to an electronic device

Yes, in the past some items have been confiscated, but (afaik) they were bottles sent alone or pistols sent with CO2 or by RMSD NOT marked as "do not fly" so they were discovered by CAA X-ray,
I've never heard of a correctly posted, declared airgun, sent by the correct postal service (PF48), marked as "do not fly" where necessary (RMSD) that has had an issue.

[emin-j]

Take the filler valve out of the cylinder, it cant be pressurised then.
I lost a rapid bottle because it had valve fitted, its then classed as a pressure vessel

Chris

Makes no difference valve in or out t&c state new,used or empty cylinders.
Many PCP’s get posted and delivered ok but I wouldn’t risk it.

[32:1]

Makes no difference valve in or out t&c state new,used or empty cylinders.
Many PCP’s get posted and delivered ok but I wouldn’t risk it.

Agreed about that but they mean a sealed vessel/chamber, but a buddy bottle without valve or a cylinder without and end is allowed as its not classed as a pressure vessel, it cant hold pressure. Ive had this confirmed by the post office and have sent and insured rapid bottles this way, I also agree with you that its not worth the risk sending a pcp complete, Id hate to loose one and it would be my luck too. To date RM have destroyed a bottle and lost a scope and a lovely rapid stock I sent


Chris

[Trumpetier]

To date RM have destroyed a bottle and lost a scope and a lovely rapid stock I sent


Chris

You have been unlucky mate, touch wood, never had a problem. I have bought a few pcp, s over the last few years posted Pf48, obviously at my risk, so far so good.

[32:1]

You have been unlucky mate, touch wood, never had a problem. I have bought a few pcp, s over the last few years posted Pf48, obviously at my risk, so far so good.

Could you pm me next weeks lottery numbers please

Happy Christmas

Chris

[Trumpetier]

Could you pm me next weeks lottery numbers please

Happy Christmas

Chris

LOL no problem

Atb mate

[Vic Thompson]

RM have a specialist Department that deals exclusively with queries regarding "carriage of " prohibited and restricted items, and I asked their advice a few months ago prior to posting a PCP Buddy Bottle. Their response was that under no circumstances will they allow carriage of a PCP Airgun "cylinder" with "closed ends". ie, one end removed is ok, looking like a "closed cylinder capable of bearing pressure isn't".

Being logical about it, how can anyone look at a PCP cylinder and tell from the outside whether or not it's pressurised ? In my opinion on that basis it makes sense to treat all closed cylinders as being prohibited items and not permit their carriage under any circumstances.

JMHO, Vic Thompson.

[Neil.]

Ok... Whats the best way around this? Who else will?

Merry Crimbo BTW

[ZAKDINGEL]

Ok... Whats the best way around this? Who else will?

Merry Crimbo BTW

As already said who's to no its got any air left in maybe's just tell them its airguns parts take it out the stock that way it will be shorter ----as for sending full of air? I have just received my gun back from the dealers which I returned due to a leak it came back fully charged and that was parcel force

[sandyman1963]

I struggle to understand the post office at times.

I had to send a PCP back to Daystate they arranged the pick up and return Parcel Force 48 happy days.

Several months down the line I tried to send a PCP up North to a friend of mine. All packed up nice and secure bottle de-gassed and removed from rifle all good. Unfortunately I then hit the brick wall of the local post office no no no and more no no no yo can not send a closed pressure vessel it must be open.

No matter what I said about his parcel force delivered sealed pcp bottles they were not having it. In the end I gave up rules are rules I suppose.