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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    It would probably suit a taller bloke fine
    You're trying to lead me into a trap aren't you

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    Quote Originally Posted by look no hands View Post
    You're trying to lead me into a trap aren't you

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBuzz View Post
    I know what you mean A. I think it’s because they’re just sooooo long.

    Looks like a Sport, weight like a Sport, handles like a set of ladders.
    I thought it was just me who thought that. I mean, it’s a bloody good rifle, I just haven’t ever liked the handling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    I think it MAY be better in .22, the barrel is a bit longer.

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    It would probably suit a taller bloke fine.
    You sure on barrel length? I thought they were all a nominal 19”.

    Anyway, mine’s a .22”, and I’m 6’2”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

    You sure on barrel length? I thought they were all a nominal 19”.

    Anyway, mine’s a .22”, and I’m 6’2”.
    The .177 I have is off some kind of 95, it's not off the official K as it has grooves for open sights in the muzzle end, and it is short. Making the cylinder seem even longer. The .22 is a standard 19" ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    The .177 I have is off some kind of 95, it's not off the official K as it has grooves for open sights in the muzzle end, and it is short. Making the cylinder seem even longer. The .22 is a standard 19" ...
    Got it.

    Odd. I’d have thought carbining it might be an improvement over the standard barrel. Do you have a muzzle weight on yours?

    For example, my carbined Diana 36 with a big suppressor handles much better than the standard length rifle. Livelier but not skittish like a Tracker or something can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    The .177 I have is off some kind of 95, it's not off the official K as it has grooves for open sights in the muzzle end, and it is short. Making the cylinder seem even longer. The .22 is a standard 19" ...
    Ever thought of shortening the cylinder, Al?

    Give it to either Nick or Pete and tell them it's a 35's bastard lovechild and I'm sure they'd be happy to re-configure it for you!
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    Yup, springers are just "long". That's what is so tragic about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyL View Post
    Ever thought of shortening the cylinder, Al?

    Give it to either Nick or Pete and tell them it's a 35's bastard lovechild and I'm sure they'd be happy to re-configure it for you!
    Quote Originally Posted by Rickenbacker View Post
    Yup, springers are just "long". That's what is so tragic about them.
    Boys,

    I’m with Alistair and Richard on this.

    The 85 (IMHO) just doesn’t feel quite as good in the hand offhand (it’s fine kneeling, sitting, rested) as a Sport, Omega, D34, or lots of what ought to be similar rifles. There is something off with the stock design (Luxus in my case) or (more likely) balance point. Basically, it feels heavier than it is (compare FWB Sport, which feels a pound lighter than it actually is) without the reassuringly stable sense of weight that, say, an HW77 has.

    Never had a 95K, so can’t compare.

    But, from experience of mid-weight (7-8lbs) springers, the FWB, BSF 55, Omega (not my favourite), Longbow, Tomahawk and D34/36 and older D35 all feel better in the hand than the 85. Even the BSA Supersport and Webley Xocet. In some cases not by much (and the BSF at least is an unfair comparison, as a very light short punchy gun).

    The 85 ought to be perfection. But there’s just something not quite perfect about it.

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    Urgh. Think its time to sell all the extra springers...

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    I'd just like to point out that it was Geeze' that mentioned BSF - not me.

    (shall we talk about HW / BSF now?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer View Post

    Never had a 95K, so can’t compare.
    I bought one (the earlier muzzle weight version) from Blackrider. Fantastic it was, until I started messing with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickenbacker View Post
    I'd just like to point out that it was Geeze' that mentioned BSF - not me.

    (shall we talk about HW / BSF now?)
    The 85 has BSF ancestry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    The 85 has BSF ancestry...

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    I’m lucky enough to have a prototype 85. It’s different to the actual production rifles in a few ways, the main two being the stock and that it operates without a cocking shoe.

    It’s the nicest handling 85 I’ve come across, but it’s still not a Sport.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    The 85 has BSF ancestry...
    It's only got a BSF scope rail on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Yes, a tall bloke with a penchant for gas-rams but prefers spring-operated versions, and who likes to be 'bi-calibre' and who is bored to death of his ProSport...
    I see what you're doing, you're playing mind games, if you suggest that I'm perfect for the 85 and say I don't like the Prosport anymore, then you think I'm going to be beating in the back door of your inbox to ask for a swap

    I'll have a little think and never let you know

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