Thanks for info lads, I have been wondering about this for a while. I previously had a Gamo Shaddow which I believe was above 12ft lbs and shot quite well. But as I've not got a chrony I never knew for sure what power it was.(Think I need to purchase a chrono when funds allow). Does any one know what power the HW77 is which is sold to the American market?. Having seen Huntersvermin in action with his HW 97 12 ft lbs I think that power level will do me....just hope I can achieve his skill level .