Slugs

[averageplinker]

I suspect he is referring to air bullets as used in other territories with no power restrictions. I believe the answer lies in the need to cope with velocities over 900+FPS and/or the power pulse of an air rifle designed to give 3 shots with say a .357 lump of lead.
I cannot see such rifles having any real application in the UK even for FAC shooters.
Rich.

[arnie2b]

Slugs are still in it's infancy Edgun posted a recent video about them which is worth a watch.

There are people buying slug liners in .25 for the impact but they can't hit the proverbial barn door at a 100 with them at the minute.

If you have to get an fac you might aswell get a rimfire which are far cheaper to buy and at the moment far cheaper to run looking at the price of the NSA ammo (50% more expensive for a 100 .22 23gr compared to 100 40gr .22rimfire).

If you cast and size them yourself and they work in your gun you're on to a winner. That ain't easy for the smaller calibers.
Casting for big bores is easier and with the umarex hammer coming out it becomes a bit more affordable for the masses.

Once the big companies follow suit the prices might come down and the quality goes up.

A cz 452 with match ammo will outshoot a Huben K1 self loading .22 any day of the week at present.


About slugs - Edgun
There are uses and advantages for them even at present. To explain that fully will take some time though.

etc..

[GB2017]

Slugs are still in it's infancy Edgun posted a recent video about them which is worth a watch.

There are people buying slug liners in .25 for the impact but they can't hit the proverbial barn door at a 100 with them at the minute.

If you have to get an fac you might aswell get a rimfire which are far cheaper to buy and at the moment far cheaper to run looking at the price of the NSA ammo (50% more expensive for a 100 .22 23gr compared to 100 40gr .22rimfire).

If you cast and size them yourself and they work in your gun you're on to a winner. That ain't easy for the smaller calibers.
Casting for big bores is easier and with the umarex hammer coming out it becomes a bit more affordable for the masses.

Once the big companies follow suit the prices might come down and the quality goes up.

A cz 452 with match ammo will outshoot a Huben K1 self loading .22 any day of the week at present.


About slugs - Edgun
There are uses and advantages for them even at present. To explain that fully will take some time though.

etc..

very interesting video, thanks for the link

[rapidresponse1]

good vid bud

[averageplinker]

Will have to view the video when I get home tonight!

[krisko]

How can jsb design a slug when they have no unchoked barreled air gun to test them in, catch 22

Cooperation and communication lags on both sides clearly.
They are blaming each other, hopefully a third party will exploit the situation


Something is telling me when they finally come out... some countries will put restriction on such ammo.

[arnie2b]

Prototype H&N slugs

https://www.youtube.com/user/tofazfou/videos
This guy was shooting cans at a 1/4 mile with his simmons scope long before the impact even came out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV1caY8myfs

Check his .17hmair videos, he head shoots a ground squirrel at 190 yards. That's the project I've got in mind lack of time etc..

I 'doubt' airarmsSA can do that with his impact and nightforce scope.

[Geezer]

Something is telling me when they finally come out... some countries will put restriction on such ammo.

A real possibility already. Outside the U.K., with the long-established 12 ft-lbs limit.

Setting aside the historical precedents (Girandoni etc) in 1979, a top power air rifle made 11-15.

1980, the HW80 was gusting 20.

1990s, the Patriot, Eliminator and modern PCPs were hitting 30 ft-lbs in .22” and .25”.

Now, there is stuff out there in .357” and .45” making as much as 500 ft-lbs.

At some point, in unrestricted jurisdictions:

A) a criminal will kill someone with an air rifle that makes more power than a 9mm or 45ACP;
B) a mass-shooting nutter will do the same, just more than once;
C) pressure groups/politicians/media will discover that “BB guns” now make more power than a 45ACP. Especially if the next step in development involves magazine repeaters, real or fake semi-auto, etc.