Thanks guys definitely some food for thought there. I quite fancied a Makarov, had one before and really liked it and it seems there is low profile moderator available but it only seems to be from a russian site and I think you have to buy a new barrel that is threaded and possibly an adapter which pushes the price up quite a bit. I was considering a Crosman 1377 (obviously no moderator) but with lower pumps I was thinking it might be quieter?