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    Unknown To Me Govt. Prototype British Military Pattern Trainer

    https://www.rifleman.org.uk/Air-rifles.htm

    How cool is that.......Is there any more out there ?

    Sorry if its old news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silva View Post
    https://www.rifleman.org.uk/Air-rifles.htm

    How cool is that.......Is there any more out there ?

    Sorry if its old news.
    That's a great link, Morgan, thanks. I'm sure I've seen it before but had quite forgotten. Fascinating stuff!
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    Hi Morgan,

    What an excellent piece of research someone has carried out. Thank you for sharing.

    'Harvey' featured this very rifle in the September 1981 issue of Airgun World - I wonder who has it now?

    I have a privately made conversion of a Lincoln that now wears SMLE woodwork, which is one of my favourite air rifles. It shoots as good as it looks and always draws interest whenever I take it to the club.

    Kind regards,

    John

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    Thumbs up

    Thanks for posting that...some good stuff there.

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    Fascinating.

    The designation on the drawing of “Rifle, Air, No2 Mk1” suggests some degree of official approval.

    The lack of markings on the rifle, however, suggests the opposite - a bright idea at RSAF Enfield that went no further.

    The apparent absence of any other source document referring to a “Rifle, Air, No2 Mk1” or a formal requirement (War Office Pattern Specification) makes me lean toward it being a private venture at RSAF. Unless others know more?

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    Many thanks for posting this most interesting artical.

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    BSA gun-layer

    https://imgur.com/a/1FC9VdM

    The BSA Gun Laying Trainer Outfit-in New Zealand
    The layer came in a sizable green painted steel trunk which also contained a motor,pulleys and flexible steel wires. Also included was a set of targets.Miniature,tanks,trucks and telegraph poles! All made from black rubber and nicely marked with the NZ Defence logo and the date. The whole set-up was laid out on a field in a triangular shape.The wire traversing the base of the triangle had the targets attached to it. A tank-a Valentine,with gun laying trainer fitted ,was at the apex of the triangle. A chap, manning the vehicle's two-pounder gun with a pellet-shooting insert, endeavoured to hit the rubber targets as the motorised base wire paraded them before the muzzle of his gun.
    I was in the army at the time(1955) but didn't ever see any cavalry playing with this quaint BSA-made gadget.
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    On the subject of an Enfield air rifle, has anyone bought this BB Lee Enfield? It's not cheap but looks great fun!







    https://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/ai...4-5mm-bb/20445
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    On the subject of an Enfield air rifle, has anyone bought this BB Lee Enfield? It's not cheap but looks great fun!







    https://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/ai...4-5mm-bb/20445
    I'd love one of these. It'd make an excellent trainer for when I use my real one; but 3 things work against it.
    Smooth-bore, so no good much further than about 8-10 yards.
    VERY expensive, considering it's not much more than a cheap, pot metal toy.
    Nobody seems to have them.
    The South of England has 2 good things, the M1 and the A1. Both will take you to Yorkshire.

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    Training

    I know that in the 80s the British army trialed a .223 aircartridge......
    I became a bit of a quest for me to track some down and yes it did exist, in both servo and tandem versions, I found the drawings sitting on a shelf and just had to prove it to myself....an exact replica .223, which answered a few other questions I had. Mike Saxby tried again with Airmunitions to supply both military and Police markets with air powered replacements as training aids.....I particularly like the 37mm and 40mm versions!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC all day View Post
    I know that in the 80s the British army trialed a .223 aircartridge......
    I became a bit of a quest for me to track some down and yes it did exist, in both servo and tandem versions, I found the drawings sitting on a shelf and just had to prove it to myself....an exact replica .223, which answered a few other questions I had. Mike Saxby tried again with Airmunitions to supply both military and Police markets with air powered replacements as training aids.....I particularly like the 37mm and 40mm versions!!
    l had one of the converted Enfield 303 rifles that Saxby&Palmer did. which used their tandem cartridge. nice rifle to shoot as you were shooting a piece of history, the downsize was all the pumping you had to do with the cartridges. l sold it before it had to go onto a FAC as l would have kept it other wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micky2 View Post
    l had one of the converted Enfield 303 rifles that Saxby&Palmer did. which used their tandem cartridge. nice rifle to shoot as you were shooting a piece of history, the downsize was all the pumping you had to do with the cartridges. l sold it before it had to go onto a FAC as l would have kept it other wise.
    Likewise....I had a .303 and a few Heralds which took a rimmed or rimless case in approximately .308/.303 size, but it was the earlier development of a 'training' round that interested me, they also did a .38 training round. Others will know of this as a dustbin round due to its shape and it's inefficiency ment that's all it was good for lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garvin View Post
    On the subject of an Enfield air rifle, has anyone bought this BB Lee Enfield? It's not cheap but looks great fun!







    https://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/ai...4-5mm-bb/20445
    I like the way that they have used a picture of an actual SMLE at the top, which only emphasises that the airgun replica doesn’t look quite right.

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